TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

How many per cent are foreign parts of Kaan? And what is the calculation method?

 

[Sanchez]

And what is the calculation method?

It's wholly politicized and that whole thing frankly doesn't mean anything. "80%" localization is useless when it currently uses an ITAR engine for starters.

 

[Zoth]

It's wholly politicized and that whole thing frankly doesn't mean anything. "80%" localization is useless when it currently uses an ITAR engine for starters.

Although i agree with your take, making a domestic engine out of nothing is not an ordinary achievement. It's much easier to find an alternative for an ITAR engine than find alternative for both ITAR engine AND other critical parts such as AESA radar, EOTS, domestic munition etc. So that take is not solely or wholly political.

 

[Huelague]

It's wholly politicized and that whole thing frankly doesn't mean anything. "80%" localization is useless when it currently uses an ITAR engine for starters.

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

 

[TR_123456]

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

I this case the engine is the most important part(being indigenous),so forget the 80% bs.
The engine counts for 99% which means no engine no indigenous percentage.

 

[Sanchez]

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

I understand your core point, but there simply isn't a verifiable metric for this, at least on open sources. That's what I mean by politicized. For politicians, arms are just another export item, they view it as high tech export and sometimes share "dollar per kilo" values, another meaningless metric.

I'm sure there is a general metric they use down to subcomponents, but they simply don't share it.

 

[blackjack]

Is it 360 degree X-band or like 120 degree X-band with a combination of L-band or X and L-band for 360 degrees? IFF frequencies I heard use L-band and that is describing the MURAD

 

[Yasar_TR]

Understood, but not an answer to my question. What counts, the value of the parts, or the parts itself?

As per @Sanchez ’s post everyone may use a different unit to calculate %ge of locality.

1. percentage of value.
2, percentage of weight and/or volume
3. percentage of importance

But as per @TR_123456 ’s post, if you don’t have an engine the rest is superfluous.
Had we been a country like Sweden who could easily buy a F404 or F414 engine, then to use one of the above 3 as a basis of calculation would have meant something.

The new CEO of TAI, Mr Demiroglu last year at the beginning of Summer had said that both f404 and f110 engines‘ purchase contracts were to be finalised within a few months as they were waiting for the US Congress approval.
We are now only a few months away from a year since that statement was made.

We don’t have guarantee of supply of neither engine. Yet we are talking about Hurjet and KAAN serial production. US is now the most untrustworthy equipment supplier. And we have all our eggs in their basket. I wonder if we have even enough F110GE129E engines for the prototypes we have so long been waiting for?

 

[KAAN]

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Is it 360 degree X-band or like 120 degree X-band with a combination of L-band or X and L-band for 360 degrees? IFF frequencies I heard use L-band and that is describing the MURAD

IFF is part of the ICNI (Integrated communications, navigation and IFF) subsystem, not IRFS (Integrated RF system).

The claim that there will be L-band antennas has been around for years, but they will probably be for wide-spectrum ESM, rather than radar.

This is the integrated IFF system to be used, combining interrogating/transponder functions.

IdentIFF Mode5 CIT - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Does TAI KAAN support the AESA Multi-Aperture Radar System (MARS)?

 

[Saithan]

Which means that if we can secure 90+ engines for Hürjet trainer. Then we're better off than dreaming of something that in US eyes will prevent the sale of F35 to many potential customers.

That is my rough take on it. I can't be bothered to write more about it because it's empty talk. Let's look at what's possible.

 

[Huelague]

As per @Sanchez ’s post everyone may use a different unit to calculate %ge of locality.

1. percentage of value.
2, percentage of weight and/or volume
3. percentage of importance

But as per @TR_123456 ’s post, if you don’t have an engine the rest is superfluous.
Had we been a country like Sweden who could easily buy a F404 or F414 engine, then to use one of the above 3 as a basis of calculation would have meant something.

The new CEO of TAI, Mr Demiroglu last year at the beginning of Summer had said that both f404 and f110 engines‘ purchase contracts were to be finalised within a few months as they were waiting for the US Congress approval.
We are now only a few months away from a year since that statement was made.

We don’t have guarantee of supply of neither engine. Yet we are talking about Hurjet and KAAN serial production. US is now the most untrustworthy equipment supplier. And we have all our eggs in their basket. I wonder if we have even enough F110GE129E engines for the prototypes we have so long been waiting for?

That’s right. Which calculation method our government or TAI is using? Regard from the importance of single parts like engine. For example, is it the number of parts? If we need 10 parts to produce one jet, and 9 parts can be produced indigenously and needs to be imported, means 90% self sufficient. On the macro calculations.

 

[Saithan]

That’s right. Which calculation method our government or TAI is using? Regard from the importance of single parts like engine. For example, is it the number of parts? If we need 10 parts to produce one jet, and 9 parts can be produced indigenously and needs to be imported, means 90% self sufficient. On the macro calculations.

That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. without the engine, those things are not worth nothing, so back to 0.

The government uses the method that gives them most votes.

 

[Sanchez]

Does TAI KAAN support the AESA Multi-Aperture Radar System (MARS)?

"On the sensor side, the approach in KAAN can be described as “omnidirectional-multispectral”. For detection in the RF band, BURFIS (Integrated Radar Frequency System); will provide a nearly 360-degree detection and electronic warfare capability for KAAN thanks to its nose, tail and lateral radar arrays."
Defence Turk Issue.15, translated via google.

 

[Huelague]

That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. without the engine, those things are not worth nothing, so back to 0.

The government uses the method that gives them most votes.

I get that feeling, you don’t understood my question. Don’t put any assessment into it. We all agree that a simple screw doesn’t have the same value as an engine. I only want to know which calculation method the government used. Not, which you can or I can use or will. Or which method is “better” or more correct.

 

[godel44]

That’s right. Which calculation method our government or TAI is using? Regard from the importance of single parts like engine. For example, is it the number of parts? If we need 10 parts to produce one jet, and 9 parts can be produced indigenously and needs to be imported, means 90% self sufficient. On the macro calculations.

They calculate it based on monetary value. Both in individual systems and in the aggregate, localization ratio is the sum of the value of domestic goods and services divided by the sum of the value of total goods and services used. It's a metric of economic contribution. As has been pointed out ad nauseam, even a cheap foreign part can block production of a system, but that's not what this metric is intended to measure. Different metrics keep track of different things.

 

[Fatman17]

Source : Combat Aircraft Journal

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904867087060811891

President Erdoğan (2030): "Our national combat aircraft KAAN will enter mass production. With Steel Dome, we will integrate our air defense systems into a single network"

Here comes the first official delay, as it was expected.

I think we can't say this yet, because here is the context of that quote.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan spoke at the 2030 Industry and Technology Strategy Introduction Meeting held at the Presidential Complex.

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan: Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN seri üretime geçecek

Cumhurbaşkanı ve AK Parti Genel Başkanı Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, "Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN seri üretime geçecek. Çelik Kubbe ile hava savunma sistemlerimizi tek bir ağa entegre edeceğiz." dedi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[TheInsider]

View attachment 74366 Source : Combat Aircraft Journal

This also confirms the acquisition of 240+ Kaans till 2040.

 

[Iskander]

Indonesian President Subianto, who is on a visit to Turkey, said his country wants to join the KAAN project.

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan ve Subianto'dan ortak açıklama

Haber 7 - Endonezya Cumhurbaşkanı Subianto, "Endonezya KAAN projesinde yer almak istiyor. Gerçekten Türkiye'ye hayranım. Türkiye bizim için bir ilham kaynağı" açıklamalarında bulundu.

www.haber7.com