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I'm not really sure on how to feel about Indonesia's interest in joining Kaan project given the KF-21 project history and their reputation. Pakistan is a given, but i wonder how are we going to protect important data of Kaan if we give those jets to Azerbaijan which has very close ties with Israel?


I don't really know what to expect or to feel to be totally honest.
Do you know of any examples where ambassadors from two countries were housed in the same embassy?
In 1992, our flag flew next to the Turkish flag in front of the Turkish embassy in Washington.
Our trust has stood the test of time.

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Do you know of any examples where ambassadors from two countries were housed in the same embassy?
In 1992, our flag flew next to the Turkish flag in front of the Turkish embassy in Washington.
Our trust has stood the test of time.

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Azerbaijanis are the last country to explain themselves and convince Turkey on any matter on this God’s green earth, let alone safety of any kind of partnership.
 

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lol

Every country who will join Kaan is doomed ahaha....

Better stop looking for partners and problem solved...
 

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lol

Every country who will join Kaan is doomed ahaha....

Better stop looking for partners and problem solved...
Exactly. Some of us think like we are living in the Ottoman Empire, at her peak time. We are neither a superpower nor rich, nor very advanced country in terms of technology, science, democracy or law system.

We dont have the oil, gas or multi trillion dolar companies (even those who have, are trying to sell).

We have to sell Kaan and other assets, even agressively, just like Russia. Our entire industry depends on exports.

No need to reinvent the wheel. Just like others do. Some limitations, export versions and we are good to go

PS: By the way, we should not forget it was a Turkish Citizen, MKEK Kırıkkale director who sold MPT 76 infos to the foreigners. I am sorry to say that but some beam on our eye before suspect the others, that is all I have to say

 
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My question is simple and raises an important concern regarding mixed inventory in terms of country of origin.

Selling a jet to someone is one thing, allowing someone join the said development project is another thing.

I see some unrelated answers such as we are not being ottoman empire anymore or ambassadors one and i don't understand any corelation of those to the main topic.

Anyone who slightly is interested in our defence industry knows that we need funds and partners for big projects like Kaan but having concerns over "which country should be let in" is a very valid point.

Edit: Just to be more specific about Azerbaijan issue, look at what modern air defence they have, then look at who keeps maintaning those air defence systems, and then in order to be used together with Kaan, what issues or concerns that integration raises.
Very similar to F35-S400 issue.
 
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It’s behind ad walls (not pay walls). Won’t let me see the piece even if I allow ads.
Do you have a copy of the text?

  • Summary
  • Companies
  • Italy defence minister says 'selfishness' can harm cooperation
  • Italy in favour of Saudis joining GCAP jet fighter project
  • Joint company will develop new combat jet
ROME, April 15 (Reuters) - Defence Minister Guido Crosetto has said Britain is not fully sharing technologies with Italy and Japan in a major project to develop a new fighter jet and urged London to bring down the "barriers of selfishness".
In an interview with Reuters, Crosetto underscored the importance of the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), which aims to develop by 2035 an aircraft that incorporates the most advanced technologies.
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The defence minister, a senior member of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's rightist Brothers of Italy party, said sharing technology when making investments together was crucial to a "serious relationship".
"There is no longer anyone who can be considered first and second class and who wants to defend old legacies," he said.
"You have to break down some barriers of selfishness. Italy has broken them down totally, Japan almost totally. It seems to me that the UK is much more reluctant to do this, and that's a mistake because selfishness is the worst enemy of nations."
He did not give any specifics about what technologies the British might be holding back.
Britain's Ministry of Defence was not immediately available to comment.
Rome is in favour of Saudi Arabia joining the programme, which Crosetto called an example of how defence cooperation can be extended to countries outside Europe.
"The choice of Japan was key in this respect, so would be Saudi Arabia, which has a need for technological growth and has more resources available than our three countries," he said.
Britain, Italy and Japan announced last year they would set up a joint company to develop the jet, a step forward in their initial 2022 agreement. Britain's BAE Systems (BAES.L), opens new tab, Italy's Leonardo (LDOF.MI), opens new tab, Japan's Aircraft Industrial Enhancement (JAIEC) will each hold a 33.3% share.

Reporting by Angelo Amante and Crispian Balmer Additional reporting by Paul Sandle in London Editing by Frances Kerry
 

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  • Summary
  • Companies
  • Italy defence minister says 'selfishness' can harm cooperation
  • Italy in favour of Saudis joining GCAP jet fighter project
  • Joint company will develop new combat jet
ROME, April 15 (Reuters) - Defence Minister Guido Crosetto has said Britain is not fully sharing technologies with Italy and Japan in a major project to develop a new fighter jet and urged London to bring down the "barriers of selfishness".
In an interview with Reuters, Crosetto underscored the importance of the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), which aims to develop by 2035 an aircraft that incorporates the most advanced technologies.
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The defence minister, a senior member of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's rightist Brothers of Italy party, said sharing technology when making investments together was crucial to a "serious relationship".
"There is no longer anyone who can be considered first and second class and who wants to defend old legacies," he said.
"You have to break down some barriers of selfishness. Italy has broken them down totally, Japan almost totally. It seems to me that the UK is much more reluctant to do this, and that's a mistake because selfishness is the worst enemy of nations."
He did not give any specifics about what technologies the British might be holding back.
Britain's Ministry of Defence was not immediately available to comment.
Rome is in favour of Saudi Arabia joining the programme, which Crosetto called an example of how defence cooperation can be extended to countries outside Europe.
"The choice of Japan was key in this respect, so would be Saudi Arabia, which has a need for technological growth and has more resources available than our three countries," he said.
Britain, Italy and Japan announced last year they would set up a joint company to develop the jet, a step forward in their initial 2022 agreement. Britain's BAE Systems (BAES.L), opens new tab, Italy's Leonardo (LDOF.MI), opens new tab, Japan's Aircraft Industrial Enhancement (JAIEC) will each hold a 33.3% share.

Reporting by Angelo Amante and Crispian Balmer Additional reporting by Paul Sandle in London Editing by Frances Kerry
Thank you Barry.

I can’t see the relevance to KAAN but nevertheless, shows clearly - again - Saudis ready invest in technology and industry after four decades of financial global investments.

Bottom line of the piece; we will do the work, Saudis will give the money.
 

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Thank you Barry.

I can’t see the relevance to KAAN but nevertheless, shows clearly - again - Saudis ready invest in technology and industry after four decades of financial global investments.

Bottom line of the piece; we will do the work, Saudis will give the money.


The relevance ther is no other option for others then Kaan :D , UK looking for countries do the dumb work and share it with others. The most important work is not being shared, we taught Japan was the one who did not want KSA to joing the club. But it is UK:LOL:, well lets see what KSA is going to do, a lot off butthurted KSA boys.
 

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The relevance ther is no other option for others then Kaan :D , UK looking for countries do the dumb work and share it with others. The most important work is not being shared, we taught Japan was the one who did not want KSA to joing the club. But it is UK:LOL:, well lets see what KSA is going to do, a lot off butthurted KSA boys.
You sure?
KAAN 5th gen.
GCAP 6th gen.
 

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You sure?
KAAN 5th gen.
GCAP 6th gen.


What is exactly 6 gen? I do not think ther will be big differences between 5 gen and 6 gen, only thing what makes it differences is ther is no tail. What will be important is Sensor like the Radar/IRST and EW.
 

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Can't Kaan be developed further to 6th gen ? 6th gens feel like adding some spices to the meal, not a new meal itself. Is there anything in Kaan that can't fit into 6th gen other than vertical stabilizer ?

What is exactly 6 gen? I do not think ther will be big differences between 5 gen and 6 gen, only thing what makes it differences is ther is no tail. What will be important is Sensor like the Radar/IRST and EW.


The above site explaines it.
 

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The above site explaines it.

Yeah but, I'm asking because I know you know better than me; which part is out of Kaan's potential ? Laser weapons ? Even are these laser weapons will be used ? Who tested them at that speeds yet ?
 

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The above site explaines it.
I won't believe in claims about "laser weapons" until they are actually shown, because nobody has been able to explain how to overcome the problems with power and heat generation, not breaking stealth geometry with the implementation of the weapon and how to make it borderline omnidirectional to be able to actually protect the plane from incoming missiles from different angles.

On ships or bases, I think there is a lot of potential, perhaps even as short range defence of tanks; but I think lasers on stealth planes will go down the route of railguns on ships.
 
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not breaking stealth geometry with the implementation of the weapon and how to make it borderline omnidirectional to be able to actually protect the plane from incoming missiles from different angles.
Here is my non-specialist theory. Redirect the laser beam inside vacuum tubes to different locations of the aircraft. Thus the laser could be placed inside the aircraft.
 

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Neither KAAN nor GCAP is a 6th-gen fighter. GCAP will be 5.5th gen(which means it will incorporate some 6th gen technologies in a 5th gen body) when it comes out. KAAN will also continue its development cycle to reach 5.5th gen capabilities.
 

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Neither KAAN nor GCAP is a 6th-gen fighter. GCAP will be 5.5th gen(which means it will incorporate some 6th gen technologies in a 5th gen body) when it comes out. KAAN will also continue its development cycle to reach 5.5th gen capabilities.
What makes a six-gen fighter to you? I'm asking because everyone answers something different.
 
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