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Jewish lobby blocks the EF deal, and there is no solution to that. Germany is a vassal of the US/Israel.
Harun Reşit Aydın, on EF acquisition:
- Production is demanded, but the Germans are already giving "approval" to keep the production line running. (I think it’s totally unnecessary)
- Full access is requested, there’s partial progress, but full access is a pipe dream.
- They are completely open to integrations
- The crux of the matter...: credit.
The British are passing the buck to the Germans.
- Production is demanded, but the Germans are already giving "approval" to keep the production line running. (I think it’s totally unnecessary)
- Full access is requested, there’s partial progress, but full access is a pipe dream.
- They are completely open to integrations
- The crux of the matter...: credit.
The British are passing the buck to the Germans.
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I disagree. Those things are not "sensitive". Those terms can be negotiated and resolved at the negotiation table; nothing "sensitive" there. He doesn't know how defense deals work
Production demanded ( most likely offset production negotiations)
Full access, what does full access even mean? Ability to integrate weapons and pods on your own? Ability to change major subsystems, develop upgrade packages? We 100% want the first one, the second one can be negotiated later because by the time EF needs a major upgrade, we will have KAAN and the EU might be more open about that.
They are completely open to integrations: If you pay a hefty price, they will integrate your weapons/pod. Everyone is open to that. The point is, we want to integrate on our own.
Credit/payment will always be a difficult negotiation, but it is not a sensitive one.
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Germany needs orders to keep the Eurofighter assembly line in Germany busy and running until Tranche 5 comes, or something.
Otherwise it will be closed and the engineers etc will probably leave the country to work on other projects.
Germany needs orders to keep the Eurofighter assembly line in Germany busy and running until Tranche 5 comes, or something.
Otherwise it will be closed and the engineers etc will probably leave the country to work on other projects.
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They will not leave the country. At least, after the ‘Mammut ‘ investments in Defense sector.
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No aerospace projects other than FCAS in the pipeline that would make an aerospace engineer happy.
And we all know FCAS is still only a paper project.
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I can not speak for all aerospace engineers, but they all will be very busy and well paid in the coming years.
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Let's see, but I'm not aware of any nice developments other than drone projects and some smaller startups.
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As far as I undestand, we asked for too much offset deals if we get more share in production of the fighter, the Germans will get less.
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It will get resolved either way, the only way I see the deal fall through is the US approving the F-35 soonish. The Air Force could get fed up and pivot fully to the F-35 in response.
Our requests and push is well defended. But such actions should have been taken years ago, not when you are in dire need for such planes in relatively short term. If we were doing these negotiations 10 years ago, I would be completely fine with it.
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Afaik the only thing we could do earlier was to get Vipers. But did we need the Vipers back then urgently? I don't know.
Until 2019 we were buying F-35. Afaik there was no need for other Jets.
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So does Germany want that turkish EFs to be produced in Germany instead of GB or does Türkiye only want to buy Tranche 5?
I didn't understand that.
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2015 relations were still good and we were still part of f35 so there was a need for new fighter but we could choose what we wanted.
we could have bought eurofighters but compared to f35s they didn't make sense
The final assembly point for EF jets is the United Kingdom. The UK says: 'Let me handle the sale, let Germany provide the financing. Everyone should fulfill their production responsibilities and send the parts to me; I’ll do the final assembly and deliver the jets.' However, each country is trying to avoid providing the credit while still aiming to profit from the production.
Edit : Tranche 5 is not yet ready for export. It still requires significant design modifications and capability developments, and is not expected to be available for sale before 2030.
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Yeah, so until 2019 we didn't even need other fighters like Viper or EF. Because we were buying F-35. After that our relations were bad with almost everyone.
Thanks for reminding me.
Yes, I think we'll hear a lot of things after the official visit.
"German Chancellor Friedrich Merz announced that he will soon visit Turkey at the invitation of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan."
Almanya Başbakanı Merz, Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan'ın daveti üzerine Türkiye'yi ziyaret edeceğini açıkladı
Almanya Başbakanı Friedrich Merz, Cumhurbaşkanı Recep Tayyip Erdoğan'ın daveti üzerine yakında Türkiye'yi ziyaret edeceğini açıkladı. - Anadolu Ajansı
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Yes, I think we'll hear a lot of things after the official visit.
"German Chancellor Friedrich Merz announced that he will soon visit Turkey at the invitation of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan."
Almanya Başbakanı Merz, Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan'ın daveti üzerine Türkiye'yi ziyaret edeceğini açıkladı
Almanya Başbakanı Friedrich Merz, Cumhurbaşkanı Recep Tayyip Erdoğan'ın daveti üzerine yakında Türkiye'yi ziyaret edeceğini açıkladı. - Anadolu Ajansı
Merz already announced that he sees no reason not to green light the sale. Of course he can change his mind but there is no reason to do so. Airbus and all the other partners are pushing for the sale. Would not surprise me if a contract is signed at IDEF but more likely at the end of the year with deliveries starting 2027-2028 in quick succession.
The more interesting topic is the F-35. It is clear that there are serious dialogues ongoing in the background. And I think the sudden “interest” in the KC-46 is a signal things are moving in the right way here too. Unless some twist happens I expect an huge package to be announced including F-35, KC-46 and maybe some other goodies in the near future but due to the ongoing conflict it could get delayed.
Reports being leaked to greek lobbies confirm this too.
