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Not true, F-22 carries 6 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9Xs
Our current status is getting more and more embarrassing. We need to finalize at least one of F16 B70 or Eurofighter right away, without the signatures we can't even guarantee any delivery date and yet Pakistan and Algeria are getting J35 and Su57 this year
Buying S-400 was the worst decision this country has ever made. We could have F35 by now but we are gonna get out matched by greek airforce in the near future.
We should give S-400 to ukraine and return to f35 program.
We should give S-400 to ukraine and return to f35 program.
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Luckily, warfare is more than just 20 planes they might get by 2030s. I swear I'll never understand people that are getting worried about Greece. They are not a threat to us by themselves, cannot ever hope to be. We spend 4 or 5 times more than them, and not just this year, almost every single year. We have far larger military and more importantly, we have far more experienced. And we have our own military production, so we can arm ourselves unlike Greece who buys some stuff and accepts whatever their puppetmasters donate to them from their old stocks.
The real threat are the ones that'll be hiding behind them and arming them at the best case scenario in a war between us, or, join in at worst, not Greece, never Greece.
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What is it with this fascination of Greece being a real threat?
Do elaborate.
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Bigger doesn't mean you'll win automatically. There are many more factors here. An internal enemy is and has always been the biggest threat. Our enemies just need to be able to hit us where it cripples us and let the internal enemy do the hurt.
I'm for Türkiye financing 24 JF17 and having them in Azerbaycan and keep them there. Having our pilots master it like F16. Use them in Turkey on and off
I'm for Türkiye financing 24 JF17 and having them in Azerbaycan and keep them there. Having our pilots master it like F16. Use them in Turkey on and off
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If Greece posed such a threat even with F-35s, it would not have behaved aggressively for years and would have remained calm.
Turkey is massively upgrading its technology, both quantitatively and qualitatively. They know that the F-35 only works if a country has absolute C4ISR capabilities, and Turkey does have these yet but Greece not.
They have neither high-quality long-range radar systems, nor drones, nor spy and communications satellites as a network with situational awareness.
Each of their systems is only partially networked. Turkey has tailor-made systems that exchange data in real time within the network. Currently, only the US, China, and Israel have this; not even Russia has complete networking of its weapon systems.
Turkey is massively upgrading its technology, both quantitatively and qualitatively. They know that the F-35 only works if a country has absolute C4ISR capabilities, and Turkey does have these yet but Greece not.
They have neither high-quality long-range radar systems, nor drones, nor spy and communications satellites as a network with situational awareness.
Each of their systems is only partially networked. Turkey has tailor-made systems that exchange data in real time within the network. Currently, only the US, China, and Israel have this; not even Russia has complete networking of its weapon systems.
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“Also high on Barrack’s agenda is resolving the long-stalled sale of 40 F-16 fighter jets to Turkey, a deal that has been approved by Congress but remains unimplemented.
Since the agreement was finalized in January 2024, Ankara has deliberately stalled its execution, citing concerns that the associated upgrade of its existing fleet of 79 F-16s is not economically advantageous. This posture has caused growing frustration among senior officials at the Pentagon and the State Department, who have made it clear – both publicly and privately – that such behavior is unacceptable for two main reasons.
First, because it constitutes a breach of an agreement that only came together after months of high-stakes diplomacy over Sweden’s NATO accession, a process that demanded the expenditure of significant US political capital on the global stage. Second, and more critically, because the implementation of the F-16 deal is seen as a prerequisite for any future progress toward the F-35s sale, should the legal obstacles currently in place be removed.
On that front, sources in Washington tell Kathimerini that lawmakers aligned with Ankara will soon introduce an amendment to this year’s National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The goal is to repeal or modify Section 1245 of the 2020 NDAA, which explicitly prohibits the transfer of F-35s to Turkey for as long as the possession status of the Russian-made S-400 air defense system remains unchanged.
A similar attempt was made – under strict confidentiality – last summer, when Senator Jeanne Shaheen sought to insert a similar amendment, reportedly at the urging of the Turkish lobby. That effort ultimately failed.
Any new legislative initiative would require approval from the House and Senate Armed Services and Appropriations Committees. Still, the adoption of such an amendment would be politically controversial even under this Republican-controlled Congress and would be widely interpreted as a major concession to Ankara. It could provoke strong pushback, even if the president himself were to support it.
In the hypothetical – yet entirely plausible – scenario where Turkey becomes eligible once again to acquire the F-35, one key question would remain: Would it be reinstated as a co-production partner in the program, or would it simply be treated as a standard FMS (foreign military sales) customer, like Greece?
Sources in Washington suggest that President Trump might consider reinstating Turkey’s co-production status not merely as a goodwill gesture, but for a more strategic reason: Because doing so would exempt future Turkish F-35 purchases from the formal Congressional review process required for FMS deals.
www.ekathimerini.com
Since the agreement was finalized in January 2024, Ankara has deliberately stalled its execution, citing concerns that the associated upgrade of its existing fleet of 79 F-16s is not economically advantageous. This posture has caused growing frustration among senior officials at the Pentagon and the State Department, who have made it clear – both publicly and privately – that such behavior is unacceptable for two main reasons.
First, because it constitutes a breach of an agreement that only came together after months of high-stakes diplomacy over Sweden’s NATO accession, a process that demanded the expenditure of significant US political capital on the global stage. Second, and more critically, because the implementation of the F-16 deal is seen as a prerequisite for any future progress toward the F-35s sale, should the legal obstacles currently in place be removed.
On that front, sources in Washington tell Kathimerini that lawmakers aligned with Ankara will soon introduce an amendment to this year’s National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The goal is to repeal or modify Section 1245 of the 2020 NDAA, which explicitly prohibits the transfer of F-35s to Turkey for as long as the possession status of the Russian-made S-400 air defense system remains unchanged.
A similar attempt was made – under strict confidentiality – last summer, when Senator Jeanne Shaheen sought to insert a similar amendment, reportedly at the urging of the Turkish lobby. That effort ultimately failed.
Any new legislative initiative would require approval from the House and Senate Armed Services and Appropriations Committees. Still, the adoption of such an amendment would be politically controversial even under this Republican-controlled Congress and would be widely interpreted as a major concession to Ankara. It could provoke strong pushback, even if the president himself were to support it.
In the hypothetical – yet entirely plausible – scenario where Turkey becomes eligible once again to acquire the F-35, one key question would remain: Would it be reinstated as a co-production partner in the program, or would it simply be treated as a standard FMS (foreign military sales) customer, like Greece?
Sources in Washington suggest that President Trump might consider reinstating Turkey’s co-production status not merely as a goodwill gesture, but for a more strategic reason: Because doing so would exempt future Turkish F-35 purchases from the formal Congressional review process required for FMS deals.
Plans afoot for an Erdogan trip to the White House | eKathimerini.com
Behind-the-scenes efforts have been intensifying rapidly in recent days towards a potential visit by Turkish President Erdogan to the White House.
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“Also high on Barrack’s agenda is resolving the long-stalled sale of 40 F-16 fighter jets to Turkey, a deal that has been approved by Congress but remains unimplemented.
Since the agreement was finalized in January 2024, Ankara has deliberately stalled its execution, citing concerns that the associated upgrade of its existing fleet of 79 F-16s is not economically advantageous. This posture has caused growing frustration among senior officials at the Pentagon and the State Department, who have made it clear – both publicly and privately – that such behavior is unacceptable for two main reasons.
First, because it constitutes a breach of an agreement that only came together after months of high-stakes diplomacy over Sweden’s NATO accession, a process that demanded the expenditure of significant US political capital on the global stage. Second, and more critically, because the implementation of the F-16 deal is seen as a prerequisite for any future progress toward the F-35s sale, should the legal obstacles currently in place be removed.
On that front, sources in Washington tell Kathimerini that lawmakers aligned with Ankara will soon introduce an amendment to this year’s National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The goal is to repeal or modify Section 1245 of the 2020 NDAA, which explicitly prohibits the transfer of F-35s to Turkey for as long as the possession status of the Russian-made S-400 air defense system remains unchanged.
A similar attempt was made – under strict confidentiality – last summer, when Senator Jeanne Shaheen sought to insert a similar amendment, reportedly at the urging of the Turkish lobby. That effort ultimately failed.
Any new legislative initiative would require approval from the House and Senate Armed Services and Appropriations Committees. Still, the adoption of such an amendment would be politically controversial even under this Republican-controlled Congress and would be widely interpreted as a major concession to Ankara. It could provoke strong pushback, even if the president himself were to support it.
In the hypothetical – yet entirely plausible – scenario where Turkey becomes eligible once again to acquire the F-35, one key question would remain: Would it be reinstated as a co-production partner in the program, or would it simply be treated as a standard FMS (foreign military sales) customer, like Greece?
Sources in Washington suggest that President Trump might consider reinstating Turkey’s co-production status not merely as a goodwill gesture, but for a more strategic reason: Because doing so would exempt future Turkish F-35 purchases from the formal Congressional review process required for FMS deals.
Plans afoot for an Erdogan trip to the White House | eKathimerini.com
Behind-the-scenes efforts have been intensifying rapidly in recent days towards a potential visit by Turkish President Erdogan to the White House.
This is irritating nothing more, visiting trump taling and talking. What will happen when the result is againg a no? Just accept it and buy that F16V and engines for Kaan.
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Re Turkish purchase of Eurofighters:
"There are still some hurdles to be jumped over" for Turkey. One of them is "quite sensitive". Make of that what you will"
"There are still some hurdles to be jumped over" for Turkey. One of them is "quite sensitive". Make of that what you will"
Wtf
I think it stems from our excessive demands. We are asking for too many things, such as joint production and access to software.
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It's all guesswork. Word sensitive could mean those things, but it could also mean one of the three owners of the program saying "no".
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Jewish lobby blocks the EF deal, and there is no solution to that. Germany is a vassal of the US/Israel.
Harun Reşit Aydın, on EF acquisition:
- Production is demanded, but the Germans are already giving "approval" to keep the production line running. (I think it’s totally unnecessary)
- Full access is requested, there’s partial progress, but full access is a pipe dream.
- They are completely open to integrations
- The crux of the matter...: credit.
The British are passing the buck to the Germans.
- Production is demanded, but the Germans are already giving "approval" to keep the production line running. (I think it’s totally unnecessary)
- Full access is requested, there’s partial progress, but full access is a pipe dream.
- They are completely open to integrations
- The crux of the matter...: credit.
The British are passing the buck to the Germans.
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I disagree. Those things are not "sensitive". Those terms can be negotiated and resolved at the negotiation table; nothing "sensitive" there. He doesn't know how defense deals work
Production demanded ( most likely offset production negotiations)
Full access, what does full access even mean? Ability to integrate weapons and pods on your own? Ability to change major subsystems, develop upgrade packages? We 100% want the first one, the second one can be negotiated later because by the time EF needs a major upgrade, we will have KAAN and the EU might be more open about that.
They are completely open to integrations: If you pay a hefty price, they will integrate your weapons/pod. Everyone is open to that. The point is, we want to integrate on our own.
Credit/payment will always be a difficult negotiation, but it is not a sensitive one.
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Context:
Germany needs orders to keep the Eurofighter assembly line in Germany busy and running until Tranche 5 comes, or something.
Otherwise it will be closed and the engineers etc will probably leave the country to work on other projects.
Germany needs orders to keep the Eurofighter assembly line in Germany busy and running until Tranche 5 comes, or something.
Otherwise it will be closed and the engineers etc will probably leave the country to work on other projects.
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They will not leave the country. At least, after the ‘Mammut ‘ investments in Defense sector.
