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Turkey needs those jets today, but won't have 120 Kaans by 2035 either.
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Kaan will enter service 202872029 with some 20 units although that should take some time to deliver till 2031/2032 those aircraft will not be fully combat ready more of a test variant for training, munitions test and concept planning
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Currently, Kaan project is running 6-9 months ahead of schedule. Prototype 1 was scheduled to fly in late Q3 or early Q4 2026, according to the original plan. However, it will now fly in Q1 2026, and this is due to logistic chain issues not directly related to TAI. It could have flown in Q4 2025 without those issues. This is a big success for TAI.
Delivery of KAAN was planned for the end of 2029 according to the original plan, but TAI pushed it to an earlier, ambitious date. TAI still thinks delivery by the end of 2028 is possible, but I think the first half of 2029 is more likely. So far Kaan project has exceeded all expectations, and I'm not just talking about the TAI side; subsystem development projects related to Kaan are moving smoothly any of those subsystems have the potential to cause major delays and headaches. APG-85 for example, has seen major delays. F-35s still fly with 20-year-old GaAs AESA radars. Those projects are really difficult, and running more than a dozen of them without problems is nothing short of amazing. There will be 1 ground prototype and 5 flying prototypes and flying prototypes will accumulete several thousand total flight hours before the delivery.
Delivery of KAAN was planned for the end of 2029 according to the original plan, but TAI pushed it to an earlier, ambitious date. TAI still thinks delivery by the end of 2028 is possible, but I think the first half of 2029 is more likely. So far Kaan project has exceeded all expectations, and I'm not just talking about the TAI side; subsystem development projects related to Kaan are moving smoothly any of those subsystems have the potential to cause major delays and headaches. APG-85 for example, has seen major delays. F-35s still fly with 20-year-old GaAs AESA radars. Those projects are really difficult, and running more than a dozen of them without problems is nothing short of amazing. There will be 1 ground prototype and 5 flying prototypes and flying prototypes will accumulete several thousand total flight hours before the delivery.
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I see delusion is thriving quite well.
If anyone thinks that Spies aren't plentiful and our enemies and allies don't know how far we've come actual come, lives in a delusional world.
I believe the delays and dragging feet are done on purpose by the government. The more critical they can make the population think out situation is, the more chances they have for doing well in elections. Let's topple the cardhouse, and see what comes of it.
If anyone thinks that Spies aren't plentiful and our enemies and allies don't know how far we've come actual come, lives in a delusional world.
I believe the delays and dragging feet are done on purpose by the government. The more critical they can make the population think out situation is, the more chances they have for doing well in elections. Let's topple the cardhouse, and see what comes of it.
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Did you read previous posts? They say KAAN project is ahead of schedule. Go to the politics thread with that.
Shouldn't Kizilelma and Anka greatly outnumber KAANs since those platforms will not only be cheaper to maintain but also they will go into mass production in a year or 2, and they will need the ability to swarm the enemy?
If I'm not mistaken, by 2033, Turkey is expected to have 116 KAANs if it can acquire GE F110 engines; if not, then it will have 44 KAANs by 2033 and 92 by 2025, includes the prototype blocks that will be handed over to the Turkish Air Force. Israel, in contrast, will have 75 F-35s, as it initially purchased 50 F-35s and subsequently acquired a second batch, which will be delivered at a rate of 3 to 5 planes per year starting in 2028. If Israel accepts 5 planes per year, it will have 75 F-35s by 2033.
Anka 3 and KE could outnumber Kaan, but for that you have to decide that you want to allocate part of budget of Kaan to those, so like instrad of 150-200 KAAN, you could make the decision to purchase 100 Kaan and 150-200 KE and Anka3 in addition to F16, EF and F35s etc. So like I'm sure we'll buy from 25 up to 50 of each of KE and Anka 3 eventually, but when you say 100+ jet uavs that is a significant budget, many times that of 100 TB2. What is the total number of Akıncı or Aksungur now? Less than 30? So think of that
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Kızılelma and Anka3 can also be used alone other than as a wingman.
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Thank you for sharing. What about BÜRFİS, KARAT and other some major subcomponents? Are they really ready?I read that tests of the KARAT and TOYGUN systems on unmanned aerial vehicle platforms are planned to begin in 2025.I always try to believe you and believe you
I don't have any information about BÜRFİS.
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IIRC UK, Italy, Japan spent heavily on 6G R&D and more after GCAP was formed. Japan was not pleased with treatment by US/LM in F-2 development. If GCAP goes ahead, the partnership will have a good idea of the risks and costs. I don't see Japan buying a US 6G.
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Doing 5G without foreign funding is very expensive. Risky. Kaan may be preferred as a better Rafale/Eurofighter/F-15/Su-30 etc replacement.
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The US has significant leverage over Japan, and Japan has a history of complying with US pressure, and F-47 will be available on the market before GCAP.
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I think that Japan is changing its thinking eg not complying with US pressure to co-develop F-3 with LM, now allowing arms exports, no veto on GCAP exports. Japan is pushing for GCAP delivery by 2035 to retire F-2. I see no need for F-47. If GCAP schedule slips it can build/buy more F-35.
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The power dynamics between the two are shifting, as Japan is the number one holder of US bonds, which gives the Japanese significant influence over the US. The US debt has ballooned to a point where the US pays more to repay the interest on its debt than it does for its military.
The thing is that the maintenance of the KE and Anka is way less than the KAAN, as you don't need to keep flying the drone to keep the pilots' skills from deteriorating. This means that you need to do far less maintenance on the drones compared with a manned fighter.
I don't want to speak ill of the Ankinci or Aksungur, but those platforms are not going to win a state-on-state war, there isn't that much of a reason to have a shit load of them unlike KE and Anka.
