TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sherlock Holmes]

Any unofficial update about Turkish 6th generation plane ?

 

[TheInsider]

There are no Turkish 6th-generation plane.

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

TAI had announced that it was the target for the 6th generation aircraft after KAAN.

 

[No Name]

6th gen is just a marketing gimmick; the only thing that makes a 6th gen fighter a 6th gen is that its engines are more fuel efficient, it has a loyal wingman, and it can carry more weapons than a regular 5th gen.

Every one of these features can be installed on a 5th-generation fighter, except for the carrying more weapons part.

 

[alfonsvlora]

They should never have been implemented to an ally.

TAMAM!
One more thing I would like to add:
I try to look at things calmly, since i am of another nationality, and what I see is that Turkiye tries to be very cautions in international relations and especially in diplomatic ones. Regarding the later, I dare say that Turkiye as the heir of the Osman Empire, gives water from the tail of the spoon to everyone in the world...!
I have a lot of faith in the brilliant and white-haired minds of Turkish politics, they do not dare to step on rotten wood

 

[Huelague]

TAI had announced that it was the target for the 6th generation aircraft after KAAN.

A plan? Yes! A plane right now? No.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

They should finally release the TAI KAAN in 2029/30, preferably with 30 units per year.
Then TAI can take care of GEN 6.
Turkey needs at least 120 TAI KAANs in its fleet by 2035, plus 60 Kizilelma and 60 Anka 3 drones. This is a must, otherwise we will be in serious trouble.
Simsek & Super Simsek play a central role in a first strike and counterstrike scenario with cruise missiles.

Equally important are long-range ammunition, and lots of it, plus TB2T AI with Kemankes 1 & 2, with lots of Missiles and Micromunition, all as very cost-optimized as possible. Everything must be manufactured as cheaply as possible, so that they can be used as absolute disposable drones in a war scenario with high scalability.

TB3, Anka S, Akinci & Aksungur can then be used for infiltration or combined attacks then.

 

[Sanchez]

Turkey needs at least 120 TAI KAANs in its fleet by 2035

Turkey needs those jets today, but won't have 120 Kaans by 2035 either.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They should finally release the TAI KAAN in 2029/30, preferably with 30 units per year.
Then TAI can take care of GEN 6.
Turkey needs at least 120 TAI KAANs in its fleet by 2035, plus 60 Kizilelma and 60 Anka 3 drones. This is a must, otherwise we will be in serious trouble.
Simsek & Super Simsek play a central role in a first strike and counterstrike scenario with cruise missiles.

Equally important are long-range ammunition, and lots of it, plus TB2T AI with Kemankes 1 & 2, with lots of Missiles and Micromunition, all as very cost-optimized as possible. Everything must be manufactured as cheaply as possible, so that they can be used as absolute disposable drones in a war scenario with high scalability.

TB3, Anka S, Akinci & Aksungur can then be used for infiltration or combined attacks then.

Kaan will enter service 202872029 with some 20 units although that should take some time to deliver till 2031/2032 those aircraft will not be fully combat ready more of a test variant for training, munitions test and concept planning

 

[uçuyorum]

20 kaan with f110, murad and ability to launch Gökdoğan is already a big upgrade and an additional deterrent. If we could have those in 5 years I will be happy.

 

[TheInsider]

Currently, Kaan project is running 6-9 months ahead of schedule. Prototype 1 was scheduled to fly in late Q3 or early Q4 2026, according to the original plan. However, it will now fly in Q1 2026, and this is due to logistic chain issues not directly related to TAI. It could have flown in Q4 2025 without those issues. This is a big success for TAI.

Delivery of KAAN was planned for the end of 2029 according to the original plan, but TAI pushed it to an earlier, ambitious date. TAI still thinks delivery by the end of 2028 is possible, but I think the first half of 2029 is more likely. So far Kaan project has exceeded all expectations, and I'm not just talking about the TAI side; subsystem development projects related to Kaan are moving smoothly any of those subsystems have the potential to cause major delays and headaches. APG-85 for example, has seen major delays. F-35s still fly with 20-year-old GaAs AESA radars. Those projects are really difficult, and running more than a dozen of them without problems is nothing short of amazing. There will be 1 ground prototype and 5 flying prototypes and flying prototypes will accumulete several thousand total flight hours before the delivery.

 

[Zafer]

Kaan engine is intended to be readied for deployment in time when foreign engines are used up and allow Kaan production nonstop.

 

[mTT]

Currently, Kaan project is running 6-9 months ahead of schedule. Prototype 1 was scheduled to fly in late Q3 or early Q4 2026, according to the original plan. However, it will now fly in Q1 2026, and this is due to logistic chain issues not directly related to TAI. It could have flown in Q4 2025 without those issues. This is a big success for TAI.

Delivery of KAAN was planned for the end of 2029 according to the original plan, but TAI pushed it to an earlier, ambitious date. TAI still thinks delivery by the end of 2028 is possible, but I think the first half of 2029 is more likely. So far Kaan project has exceeded all expectations, and I'm not just talking about the TAI side; subsystem development projects related to Kaan are moving smoothly any of those subsystems have the potential to cause major delays and headaches. APG-85 for example, has seen major delays. F-35s still fly with 20-year-old GaAs AESA radars. Those projects are really difficult, and running more than a dozen of them without problems is nothing short of amazing. There will be 1 ground prototype and 5 flying prototypes and flying prototypes will accumulete several thousand total flight hours before the delivery.

 

[Saithan]

I see delusion is thriving quite well.

If anyone thinks that Spies aren't plentiful and our enemies and allies don't know how far we've come actual come, lives in a delusional world.

I believe the delays and dragging feet are done on purpose by the government. The more critical they can make the population think out situation is, the more chances they have for doing well in elections. Let's topple the cardhouse, and see what comes of it.

 

[Strong AI]

I see delusion is thriving quite well.

If anyone thinks that Spies aren't plentiful and our enemies and allies don't know how far we've come actual come, lives in a delusional world.

I believe the delays and dragging feet are done on purpose by the government. The more critical they can make the population think out situation is, the more chances they have for doing well in elections. Let's topple the cardhouse, and see what comes of it.

Did you read previous posts? They say KAAN project is ahead of schedule. Go to the politics thread with that.

 

[No Name]

They should finally release the TAI KAAN in 2029/30, preferably with 30 units per year.
Then TAI can take care of GEN 6.
Turkey needs at least 120 TAI KAANs in its fleet by 2035, plus 60 Kizilelma and 60 Anka 3 drones. This is a must, otherwise we will be in serious trouble.
Simsek & Super Simsek play a central role in a first strike and counterstrike scenario with cruise missiles.

Equally important are long-range ammunition, and lots of it, plus TB2T AI with Kemankes 1 & 2, with lots of Missiles and Micromunition, all as very cost-optimized as possible. Everything must be manufactured as cheaply as possible, so that they can be used as absolute disposable drones in a war scenario with high scalability.

TB3, Anka S, Akinci & Aksungur can then be used for infiltration or combined attacks then.

Shouldn't Kizilelma and Anka greatly outnumber KAANs since those platforms will not only be cheaper to maintain but also they will go into mass production in a year or 2, and they will need the ability to swarm the enemy?

If I'm not mistaken, by 2033, Turkey is expected to have 116 KAANs if it can acquire GE F110 engines; if not, then it will have 44 KAANs by 2033 and 92 by 2025, includes the prototype blocks that will be handed over to the Turkish Air Force. Israel, in contrast, will have 75 F-35s, as it initially purchased 50 F-35s and subsequently acquired a second batch, which will be delivered at a rate of 3 to 5 planes per year starting in 2028. If Israel accepts 5 planes per year, it will have 75 F-35s by 2033.

 

[uçuyorum]

Shouldn't Kizilelma and Anka greatly outnumber KAANs since those platforms will not only be cheaper to maintain but also they will go into mass production in a year or 2, and they will need the ability to swarm the enemy?

If I'm not mistaken, by 2033, Turkey is expected to have 116 KAANs if it can acquire GE F110 engines; if not, then it will have 44 KAANs by 2033 and 92 by 2025, includes the prototype blocks that will be handed over to the Turkish Air Force. Israel, in contrast, will have 75 F-35s, as it initially purchased 50 F-35s and subsequently acquired a second batch, which will be delivered at a rate of 3 to 5 planes per year starting in 2028. If Israel accepts 5 planes per year, it will have 75 F-35s by 2033.

Anka 3 and KE could outnumber Kaan, but for that you have to decide that you want to allocate part of budget of Kaan to those, so like instrad of 150-200 KAAN, you could make the decision to purchase 100 Kaan and 150-200 KE and Anka3 in addition to F16, EF and F35s etc. So like I'm sure we'll buy from 25 up to 50 of each of KE and Anka 3 eventually, but when you say 100+ jet uavs that is a significant budget, many times that of 100 TB2. What is the total number of Akıncı or Aksungur now? Less than 30? So think of that

 

[Zafer]

Anka 3 and KE could outnumber Kaan, but for that you have to decide that you want to allocate part of budget of Kaan to those, so like instrad of 150-200 KAAN, you could make the decision to purchase 100 Kaan and 150-200 KE and Anka3 in addition to F16, EF and F35s etc. So like I'm sure we'll buy from 25 up to 50 of each of KE and Anka 3 eventually, but when you say 100+ jet uavs that is a significant budget, many times that of 100 TB2. What is the total number of Akıncı or Aksungur now? Less than 30? So think of that

Kızılelma and Anka3 can also be used alone other than as a wingman.

 

[Shtr]

Currently, Kaan project is running 6-9 months ahead of schedule. Prototype 1 was scheduled to fly in late Q3 or early Q4 2026, according to the original plan. However, it will now fly in Q1 2026, and this is due to logistic chain issues not directly related to TAI. It could have flown in Q4 2025 without those issues. This is a big success for TAI.

Delivery of KAAN was planned for the end of 2029 according to the original plan, but TAI pushed it to an earlier, ambitious date. TAI still thinks delivery by the end of 2028 is possible, but I think the first half of 2029 is more likely. So far Kaan project has exceeded all expectations, and I'm not just talking about the TAI side; subsystem development projects related to Kaan are moving smoothly any of those subsystems have the potential to cause major delays and headaches. APG-85 for example, has seen major delays. F-35s still fly with 20-year-old GaAs AESA radars. Those projects are really difficult, and running more than a dozen of them without problems is nothing short of amazing. There will be 1 ground prototype and 5 flying prototypes and flying prototypes will accumulete several thousand total flight hours before the delivery.

I always try to believe you and believe you Thank you for sharing. What about BÜRFİS, KARAT and other some major subcomponents? Are they really ready?

 

[mTT]

I always try to believe you and believe you Thank you for sharing. What about BÜRFİS, KARAT and other some major subcomponents? Are they really ready?

I read that tests of the KARAT and TOYGUN systems on unmanned aerial vehicle platforms are planned to begin in 2025.
I don't have any information about BÜRFİS.