It is good enough if anyone gives a ballpark date when they don't even have to, it is development work and can be vastly off and still very acceptable.
P1 was also supposed to roll out in may this year and P2 at the end of the year. Couple months ago both were supposed to be on the assembly line(said so by SSB), now there is no sign of both of them. They put GTU together faster than this. You would think they would at least publish pictures of them on the line as they did with GTU, yet nothing.P1 was supposed to fly this year according to the statement he gave July last year when he took over from Kotil.
KAAN'ın diğer prototipleri daha fazla uçacak
TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Fatih Demiroğlu, milli muharip uçak KAAN'ın test sürecine ilişkin açıklamalarda bulundu.www.defenceturk.net
Now it is second quarter of next year.
One thing he is good at; each time he opens his mouth to give a date he postpones something as if it is the first time he is saying it. And nobody seems to question him.
Just this year in Technofest he said 2 KAANs will fly this year. Then in the same speech he changed it to one will fly this year the other early next year.
TUSAŞ'tan KAAN için çifte uçuş müjdesi | SavunmaSanayiST
TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu, TEKNOFEST KKTC’de SavunmaSanayiST'ye KAAN ve HÜRJET projelerine dair açıklamalarda bulundu.www.savunmasanayist.com
Who will believe him now???
I don't care about other projects. Was is announced SEVERAL times by officials P1 and P2 would be assembled and roll out this year, yes or no? Where are the pictures from the line? Or don't they see a reason for them anymore since there are no elections near?Admins/Mods before you think of deleting this, because use of AI. I asked chatgpt to use only sources and didn't ask it about its opinion, only facts with sources.
Tell me the delays of all 5th gen fighter programs before their serial production started and use only sources
Here’s a summary of the documented pre‑serial‑production delays for the major fifth‑generation fighter programs, based solely on reliable published sources:
F‑22 Raptor (U.S.)
Total development-to‑production delay:
- Expected first flight: mid‑1996
- Actual first flight: 7 September 1997 → approximately 15 months delayed (WIRED, Wikipedia, GlobalSecurity)
- Manufacturing delays (wing, aft fuselage) and avionics integration issues delayed multiple test articles by up to 16.9 cumulative flight‑test months as of early 1999 (GlobalSecurity)
Although low‑rate production began around late 1998 or early 1999, key exit testing milestones were delayed by over a year, pushing official production decisions into 1999 instead of the original 1998 target. (Air & Space Forces Magazine, WorldNetDaily)
F‑35 Lightning II (U.S.)
- DoD’s 2009 Joint Estimate Team estimated the F‑35 was approximately 30 months behind the original schedule (Wikipedia)
- The program was formally re‑baselined in 2011, pushing the IOC from an initial 2010 target to July 2015 (Wikipedia)
Total delay before full-rate production: ~2.5–3 years late before entering full-rate production (Milestone C) in March 2024 (Government Accountability Office, Defence Blog, Simple Flying)
Sukhoi Su‑57 “Felon” (Russia)
- First flight occurred on 29 January 2010, but serial production originally planned for 2015 was repeatedly postponed to 2020, then 2027 or later (GovInfo)
- Contract signed in 2018 for first serial units with delivery delayed—first expected by end 2020—followed by slipped timelines; serial production pushed to 2027 (The Aviationist, blogbeforeflight.net, Army Recognition)
Estimated cumulative delay: ~5 to 7 years from the originally expected 2015 production start to now foreseen around 2027.
Chengdu J‑20 “Mighty Dragon” (China)
- Initial official service entry was forecast between 2017 and 2019, but actual low‑rate initial production (LRIP) only began in late‑2015, with IOC starting around 2017 (Wikipedia)
- Development challenges with the indigenous WS‑15 engine caused ongoing tech delays that persisted into 2020 and beyond, with final engine validation only completed in March 2022 (Wikipedia)
Estimated delay length: ~1 to 2 years relative to mid‑2017 target IOC; full serial production timeline remains less transparent.
Sukhoi Su‑75 “Checkmate” (Russia)
Estimated delay: ~2 years from 2025 target to current 2027 projection.
- Revealed in 2021 with initial production expected in 2025 and deliveries in 2026–2027, but serial production has now been pushed back to 2027 due to sanctions and design/documentation delays (Wikipedia, AeroTime, Army Recognition)
Summary Table
Fighter Originally Expected Serial Production Start Actual / Current Estimate Approximate Delay F‑22 Raptor ~1998 ~1999–2000 ~1 year F‑35 ~2010 (IOC/full‑rate) ~2015 (IOC), full‑rate in 2024 ~2½–3 years before IOC/~14 years before full‑rate Su‑57 ~2015 ~2027 ~12 years J‑20 ~2017–19 IOC ~2017, still engine delays through 2022 ~1–2 years Su‑75 Checkmate ~2025 ~2027 ~2 years
Notes & Nuances:
- These figures reflect observed delays up to the point serial production (or official IOC) began, as documented in the sources; some programs (especially J‑20 and Su‑57) remain ongoing with evolving schedules.
- The F‑35 is special: while IOC occurred in 2015, formal full‑rate production was only authorized in March 2024, representing a very long development‑to‑production ramp. (Reddit, Reuters)
- For J‑20, while LRIP started in 2015 and service entry by 2017, unresolved engine reliability issues stretched into 2022. (GlobalSecurity)
- Russian programs have faced added geopolitical/sanction constraints impacting timelines.
Conclusion
All five major fifth‑generation fighter programs experienced significant delays before entering serial production or IOC—ranging from about 1 year (F‑22) to over a decade (Su‑57). The F‑35 stands out for its multi‑phase delays: late IOC and very protracted progress before full-rate production. All figures above are based solely on publicly documented schedules and reported slips from official or reputable sources.
Let me know if you’d like more detail on any specific case or on sub‑variants (e.g. F‑35B vs C).
My man you can bs your way with people who might not be versed in these matters but not with me, this the second time you try to "out-argue" me in your own head and the first time you stopped responding because you had no resort to what I wrote i.e. Ukrainian engines for projects.
Things don't work like that. According to what you say we should stop producing anything u til we get 40 F110 engines. In that case, we would have nothing in our hand next 20 years. Instead we have a plane flying and several prototypes are in production.
Who said about stopping production, are you high or do you have problems actually understanding what you read in english?
Because he has no retorts to the things I wrote so he ask big brother chatgtp to help him out.
Let's wait until contract come into force before really take this seriously
In purchasing contract, the buyer need to pay the down payment first or something, right?
Indeed. Since This is not an agreement any more but a contract, let’s wait and see what’s in that contract.
He says Aselflir 600 has 40% more range and double the laser designation range compared to Aselflir-500. This level of designation range provides stand-off capability against most medium-range air defense systems.Aselsan CEO:
"WE DROPPED OVER 100 PRODUCTS AND FOCUSED ON KAAN"
In the past few years, we discontinued over 100 products that we considered to have low added value. We shifted our focus to game-changing weapons and systems. In the field of optics and imaging, we handed over rifle scopes to partner companies and turned our attention to systems for UAVs and KAAN. We aimed to achieve what couldn't be done before. Due to embargoes, we were unable to procure certain products — now, we’ve started producing them ourselves.
Çelik Kubbe'de son durum! ASELSAN Genel Müdürü açıkladı
Ekonomi - Çelik Kubbe'nin son durumu hakkında konuşan ASELSAN Genel Müdürü Akyol, "Çelik Kubbe’nin bir kısmını teslim ettik. Bunlar kullanımda aktif. Bu adetleri yükseltmek istiyoruz. Bu sene geçen seneye göre iki katı ürün teslim edeceğiz" dedi.ekonomi.haber7.com
), that Turkey does not have a national aviation school (in the broad sense), that without producing previous generations of fighters it is impossible to immediately produce a fifth-generation aircraft, etc. And suddenly, a bolt from the blue: out of all these French, Korean and Russian fighters, Indonesia chose ... KAAN!
Indonesia rejected all offers and seems to have finally made its choice in favor of the Turkish KAAN fighter. I have long been watching with interest, even when Turkey was only dreaming of a 5th generation fighter, what the Indonesians would choose - Rafale, KF-21 or Su-35. When Indonesia, after many years of deliberation, completely unexpectedly chose KAAN, the Russians were shocked: "What is this KAAN?! Where did it come from?! How can this be?! How can these Indonesians prefer a fighter that does not exist?!" The thing is that Russian propagandists (who are also experts) have long been assuring their audience that the Su-35 is incomparably better than the F-35 (
Now Russian propagandists are trying to explain this inexplicable to their flock.
It is funny that the Russian author compares KAAN not with SU-57, which is supposedly a 5th generation fighter, but with SU-35, a 4th generation fighter. This is done intentionally, as if KAAN and SU-57 are simply incomparable things!
The failure to mention SU-57 is probably also due to the fact that its production has stalled. In 15 years, only about 20 units were produced.
Remember 6 years ago Putin offered Erdogan the SU-57?!
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What do Russians think about KAAN?
This is an article about him. As is usually the case with Russians, it contains a lot of half-truths, propaganda and outright falsifications. But the comments are interesting.
In addition to Indonesia, Egypt also rejected Russian fighters (Su-35). Then Russia offered Iran the same fighters (24 units). But Tehran, as the Russians themselves admit, wants Chinese J-10s.
This guy say it best:
www.secretprojects.co.uk
