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Madokafc said:

Salah baca itu, pagu indikatif awal 167 T , Menhan minta tambahan 184 T diluar pagu

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Ini juga belum jelas penambahan 184 triliun itu dari pagu anggaran awal 166 T atau setelah direvisi 247 T.

Kalau penambahannya dari pagu awal 166 T maka tahun 2026 persentase anggaran pertahanan Indonesia dengan GDP sudah 1,5%, tapi kalau penambahannya dari 247 T (setelah revisi anggaran 2025) maka akan menjadi 1,9-2% dari GDP.

Rafale, Caesar cannons, Scorpène submarines... The Indonesian army has become the "little sister" of the French army in Asia

Recent Indonesian arms orders have been good news for French manufacturers: two A400M transport aircraft (Airbus Defence & Space) in 2021, 42 Rafale (Dassault Aviation) in 2022, 13 GM400 long-range surveillance radars (Thales) and two Scorpène submarines (Naval Group) in 2024. The Indonesian armed forces have also had Caesar guns (KNDS, ex-Nexter) since 2012.

The A400Ms are scheduled for delivery at the end of the year, with the first Indonesian Rafales expected in early 2026.

Discussions are still underway regarding a possible purchase of A330 MRTT air-to-air refueling and transport aircraft (Airbus), which the French Air and Space Force already flies.

"Once this equipment is delivered, Indonesia will be the partner with which the French armed forces will have the largest amount of shared equipment in the region," explained Captain Nicolas Rossignol, head of the Asia, Oceania, and Latin America department of the DGRIS, during a press briefing at the Ministry of the Armed Forces.

Armaments Contracts and Industrial Partnerships

Emmanuel Macron's recent visit to Indonesia at the end of May was a further illustration of this growing cooperation: Minister of the Armed Forces Sébastien Lecornu signed letters of intent with his counterpart Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin to acquire additional equipment. If the negotiations are successful, they could lead to the purchase of Rafale fighter jets, light frigates, Scorpène submarines, and Caesar cannons.

The time since the signing of these letters of intent seems a little short to announce a firm contract during the Indonesian president's visit, but nothing is out of the question.

Sampe Trump ngomong gini, deal-nya bukan maen keliatannya

Soman45 said:

Sampe Trump ngomong gini, deal-nya bukan maen keliatannya

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1945129441820110995

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Then there no need for getting new US fighter, could it be thats why we are considering for more (24) Rafale?

NEKO said:

Then there no need for getting new US fighter, could it be thats why we are considering for more (24) Rafale?

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Perasaan pernah baca post di twitter/x nya KERIS 2-3 bulan ke belakang, salah satu menteri Trump (Menhan?, lupa) bilang kalau beli senjata dari Amerika nggak akan mempengaruhi tarif? Udah agak lama, jadi males ubek2.

NEKO said:

Then there no need for getting new US fighter, could it be thats why we are considering for more (24) Rafale?

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Baguslah kalo bisa begitu, mendingan beli aset yang bagus dan bisa dipake buat kepentingan kita … selama banyak aturan mending cari yang lain , biar dibawah kelasnya tapi bisa di pake dimanapun tanpa beda2in kepentingan .

Dalam unggahan di akun Instagram pribadinya, @prabowo, Kepala Negara menyatakan telah melakukan pembicaraan melalui telepon dengan Trump.

"Kami sepakat untuk membawa hubungan perdagangan antara Indonesia dan Amerika Serikat ke era baru yang saling menguntungkan bagi kedua negara kita yang besar," tulisnya, Rabu (16/7/2025).

Dalam pernyataan lanjutan yang diunggah di Truth Social, Trump menyebut bahwa Indonesia telah berkomitmen untuk membeli produk energi dari AS senilai US$15 miliar, produk pertanian senilai US$4,5 miliar, dan 50 unit pesawat Boeing-banyak di antaranya model Boeing 777.

Pernyataan ini senada dengan laporan sebelumnya bahwa maskapai Garuda Indonesia sedang dalam tahap negosiasi untuk membeli antara 50 hingga 75 pesawat Boeing.

Jika kesepakatan ini benar terealisasi, maka tarif 19% akan menggantikan rencana sebelumnya di mana Trump mengancam akan mengenakan tarif sebesar 32% terhadap produk Indonesia. Hal ini menunjukkan adanya kompromi tertentu dalam proses pembicaraan bilateral yang berlangsung di luar jalur negosiasi dagang formal.




gajel nih trump, apa ada yang lain?

NEKO said:

Then there no need for getting new US fighter, could it be thats why we are considering for more (24) Rafale?

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Kalau gak niat ngapain LoA masih diurus?

sangkain bahas alutsista

Masih nunggu trade dari sisi defence apa?

Ah elah, Prancis aneh" wae, udah hubungan tambah mesra malah dinodain begini

Soman45 said:

Ah elah, Prancis aneh" wae, udah hubungan tambah mesra malah dinodain begini

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Kalau soal Rafale gak ada berita 14 juli kemarin, bisa aja karena blue book belum jelas sih.

Mending Macron tarik lagi dah keharusan soal buka hubungan dengan negara timteng itu, mumpung masih ada waktu kelihatannya.

Dahulukan kepentingan Perancis lah...

Soman45 said:

Ah elah, Prancis aneh" wae, udah hubungan tambah mesra malah dinodain begini

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Soman45 said:

Ah elah, Prancis aneh" wae, udah hubungan tambah mesra malah dinodain begini

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Italy, Turkiye, and China :

Umigami said:

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BCA dan BDS itu kirain bank , setelah baca ulang2, oh... Boeing Commercial Airplanes + Boeing Defense, Space & Security.

Btw, bener kan, beli senjata dari US nggak akan menurunkan tarif, menteri Trump nya yg bilang. Makanya nggak dimasukkan dalam deal.

US: senjata gak bisa jadi penyeimbang neraca perdagangan
French: gak ada angin gak ada hujan ngide bikin Indonesia mengakui Israel, gak nyambung banget.
2 negara ini lagi mabok kah?

Key terms of the Agreement on Reciprocal Trade between the United States and Indonesia will include:

• Indonesia will eliminate approximately 99 percent of tariff barriers for a full range of U.S. industrial and U.S. food and agricultural products exported to Indonesia.
• The United States will reduce to 19 percent the reciprocal tariffs, as set forth in Executive Order 14257 of April 2, 2025, on originating goods of Indonesia, and may also identify certain commodities that are not naturally available or domestically produced in the United States for a further reduction in the reciprocal tariff rate.
• The United States and Indonesia will negotiate facilitative rules of origin that ensure that the benefits of the agreement accrue primarily to the United States and Indonesia.
• The United States and Indonesia will work together to address Indonesia’s non-tariff barriers that affect bilateral trade and investment in priority areas, including exempting U.S. companies and originating goods from local content requirements; accepting vehicles built to U.S. federal motor vehicle safety and emissions standards; accepting FDA certificates and prior marketing authorizations for medical devices and pharmaceuticals; removing certain labeling requirements; exempting U.S. exports of cosmetics, medical devices, and other manufactured goods from certain requirements; taking steps to resolve many long-standing intellectual property issues identified in USTR’s Special 301 Report; and addressing U.S. concerns with conformity assessment procedures. Indonesia will work to address barriers for U.S. exports, including through the removal of import restrictions or licensing requirements on U.S. remanufactured goods or their parts; the elimination of pre-shipment inspection or verification requirements on imports of U.S. goods; and the adoption and implementation of good regulatory practices.
• The United States and Indonesia have also committed to address and prevent barriers to U.S. food and agricultural products in the Indonesian market, including exempting U.S. food and agricultural products from all import licensing regimes, including commodity balance requirements; ensuring transparency and fairness with respect to geographical indications; providing permanent Fresh Food of Plant Origin (FFPO) designation for all applicable U.S. plant products; and recognizing U.S. regulatory oversight, including listing of all U.S. meat, poultry, and dairy facilities and accepting certificates issued by U.S. regulatory authorities.
• Indonesia has committed to address barriers impacting digital trade, services, and investment. Indonesia will provide certainty regarding the ability to transfer personal data out of its territory to the United States. Indonesia has committed to eliminate existing HTS tariff lines on “intangible products” and suspend related requirements on import declarations; to support a permanent moratorium on customs duties on electronic transmissions at the WTO immediately and without conditions; and to take effective actions to implement the Joint Initiative on Services Domestic Regulation, including submitting its revised Specific Commitments for certification by the World Trade Organization (WTO).
• Indonesia commits to join the Global Forum on Steel Excess Capacity and take effective actions to address global excess capacity in the steel sector and its impacts.
• Indonesia commits to protecting internationally recognized labor rights. Indonesia will, among other commitments, adopt and implement a prohibition on the importation of goods produced by forced or compulsory labor; amend its labor laws to ensure that workers’ rights to freedom of association and collective bargaining are fully protected; and strengthen enforcement of its labor laws.
• Indonesia commits to adopt and maintain high levels of environmental protection and to effectively enforce its environmental laws, including by taking measures to improve forest sector governance and combat trade in illegally harvested forest products; encourage a more resource efficient economy; accept and fully implement the WTO Agreement on Fisheries Subsidies; and combat illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing and illegal wildlife trade.
• Indonesia will remove restrictions on exports to the United States of industrial commodities, including critical minerals.
• The United States and Indonesia are committed to strengthening economic and national security cooperation to enhance supply chain resilience and innovation through complementary actions to address unfair trade practices of other countries, and through cooperation on export controls, investment security, and combatting duty evasion.
• In addition, the United States and Indonesia take note of the following forthcoming commercial deals between U.S. and Indonesian companies:
  • Procurement of aircraft currently valued at 3.2 billion USD.
  • Purchase of agriculture products, including soybeans, soybeans meal, wheat, and cotton with an estimated total value of 4.5 billion USD.
  • Purchases of energy products, including liquefied petroleum gas, crude oil, and gasoline, with an estimated value of 15 billion USD.

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Kembangkan sendiri

Eris juga menekankan kecilnya peluang negara produsen membuka tautan data produk pertahanan mereka. Dalam kasus RI, salah satu alasan tidak dibuka data adalah pembelian yang kecil.

”Cara yang bisa dilakukan adalah pembelian dengan sistem offset di mana sebagian atau seluruh perakitan alutsista dilakukan di negara pembeli yang disertai alih teknologi. Ada cara lain lagi, yakni dengan upgrade alutsista secara mandiri. Jika berhasil melakukan upgrade, kemampuan suatu negara akan semakin diperhitungkan,” kata Eris yang merupakan penerbang generasi pertama jet tempur F-16 TNI AU.

Keberhasilan meningkatkan kemampuan perangkat tempur akan membuat militer Indonesia semakin diperhitungkan. Sebab, TNI teruji bisa mengembangkan kemampuan secara mandiri.

Indonesia tidak diberi akses tautan data. ”Kita siasati dengan mengembangkan perangkat lunak sendiri secara diam-diam yang bisa menghubungkan komunikasi dan data real time antarberbagai alutsista kita. Ketika itu, Pusat Kendali TNI, pesawat intai TNI AU (dilengkapi kamera intai seperti yang digunakan pesawat intai P-8 Poseidon), helikopter serbu yang membawa roket, dan pasukan TNI AD di daratan beroperasi serempak dan terintegrasi,” kata Hadi.

Ia menyinggung operasi 2021 di Nduga, Papua. Pasukan TNI AD berkoordinasi dengan pesawat intai TNI AU yang dibuat Boeing, produsen AS. Koordinasi juga dilakukan dengan awak helikopter serbu dari Pusat Penerbangan TNI AD (Puspenerbad).

Pasukan TNI AD mengoperasikan pesawat nirawak sekaligus pemukul di darat. Sementara heli Puspenerbad menjadi penyerang udara. Adapun pesawat intai TNI AU menjadi sarana pemantau dan peringatan dini. Semua data itu masuk ke Pusat Komando dan Pengendalian (Puskodal) Markas Besar TNI. Hadi memantau operasi itu dari Puskodal.

Pasukan di darat memberikan koordinat sasaran ke pesawat intai dan heli serbu. ”Ketika itu data belum ditampilkan di layar radar, tetapi dalam saluran informasi dan data kordinat bisa dimunculkan dengan membentuk data link sendiri antarberbagai persenjataan yang dibuat pabrikan berbeda itu,” kata Hadi.

Sebelum operasi 2021, Hadi menginstruksikan uji coba dalam latihan di Situbondo, Jawa Timur, pada 2021. Puskodal di Mabes TNI memantau latihan serbu oleh pesawat nirawak CH4 yang terbang dari Pangkalan Udara TNI AL (Lanudal) Juanda, Sidoarjo. Sementara di Situbondo ada kapal TNI AL, tank TNI AD, dan unit-unit lain TNI.

Dalam latihan itu TNI menggunakan tautan data sendiri. Selain lebih sesuai dengan kebutuhan internal, tautan data buatan sendiri mengurangi celah penyadapan oleh pihak lain.

Setelah masa jabatan Hadi selesai, TNI melakukan sejumlah operasi lain yang sejenis. Hadi optimistis, TNI semakin terasah menerapkan NCW dan siap dengan perkembangan zaman.