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What does he mean with rising to 100k feet?
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What does he mean with rising to 100k feet?
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The highest altitude in the ballistic trajectory.
Edit: assuming he is talking about IHA-230. Maybe not?
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Even our domestic missiles are inferior to American missiles,its best for us due to cyber security issues,please read wikileaks about CIA protego project that how stinger missiles can not be used from predefined geographic areas,and self destruction modules.They can apply easily to ESSM or other SA and AA missiles.You can not trust to USA if you are not Israel.
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How do you know that our missiles are inferior to the US ones? Do you think that our airforce would accept an inferior quality a2a missile when they have been using the US built ones and know all their kinematics?
US missiles are not infallible either. We saw in Ukraine how after initial success the US built HIMARS were falling victim to Russian EW attacks.
We have been using 300 to 500km range artillery rockets and SRBMs for quite sometime. US never had a ground attack missile system with more than 300km. Only recently have they started to build the 500km range PRSM.
The Russians have Kinzhal and Zircon hypersonic missiles. US don’t have one yet. Our Tayfun is a hypersonic missile. Block4 version of it will be one that is a cut above the rest.
Yes, US may have the tech and know how to build more innovative missiles. But other countries are no slouch either.
It is normal for a country to develop technology about how to make the missiles they produce unusable by hacking them. Or develop countermeasures to make their missiles inert should they be used against them. It would be naive of them if they didn’t.
ESSM missile is developed and produced by a consortium of 12 countries. So they are privy to all technical details of this missile. The countries are: Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Turkey, the United States, Belgium and Portugal.
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EW against GPS signals are becoming harder than before.The reason is new generation satellites are lower orbit than previous ones,so GPS signals gain power and more resistant to jamming,another aspect is military GPS signals carry a crypted key they call M code,is also resistant to spoof.Our country does not have its own GPS system and depends to America,Russia and European GPS systems.During war time our GPS guided missiles could not reach the signals,if they close it on our geographic area,just rely on INS makes CEP values worse.Navigation of warship and fighters also would be somehow effected.We must get our GPS sistems at least for local areas,like indians and,Japaneese did their systems.We are working on land based GPS jamming systems,to self defence.Meteksan working on called seymen,8/60 (sekizaltmış) made a Ms23 with 100 watt against all GPS systems for jamming,but 100 watt is not good,should be 1kW.Overall we have not our GPS systems to create signals and nor the sufficient Jamming systems to protect our land and seas,and this is reality not inferior thinking.
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To prove that without GPS they could find target, they used an Atmaca firing and hit the target with bulls eye accuracy in the middle of the sea. That was 5 years ago.
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Without GPS a HGK bomb can hit target with a CEP of 10metres.
Akıncı has completed a firing test of Teber82 without the need for GPS with on board sensors and INS. This was done 3 years ago.
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There is also the terrain mapping guidance that missiles like SOM use. Missile receives terrain pictures and co-relates that to the images in its data bank. It also has a picture of the target it needs to hit. Once it acquires it then it is game over for the target.
Do you think Aselsan guys are sitting on their laurels? They are aware of the GPS systems being blocked. We lived through it during North Syria operations.
To prove that without GPS they could find target, they used an Atmaca firing and hit the target with bulls eye accuracy in the middle of the sea. That was 5 years ago.
Yerli gemisavar füzesi ATMACA hedefi GPS desteği olmadan vurdu!
ROKETSAN ATMACA yapılan son testte GPS’den bağımsız, kendi iç ataletsel navigasyon ünitesiyle atıldı ve hedefi başarıyla vurdu.
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Without GPS a HGK bomb can hit target with a CEP of 10metres.
Akıncı has completed a firing test of Teber82 without the need for GPS with on board sensors and INS. This was done 3 years ago.
AKINCI-B, TEBER-82 Güdüm Kiti ile Atış testini başarıyla tamamladı
AKINCI-B, Yüksek İrtifa Ağır Faydalı Yük ve TEBER-82 Güdüm Kiti ile Atış testlerini başarıyla tamamladı. Baykar Teknoloji tarafından geliştirilen AKINCI TİHA’nın test ve geliştirme faaliyetleri devam ediyor. Son olarak AKINCI TİHA, Yüksek İrtifa Ağır Faydalı Yük ve TEBER-82 Güdüm Kiti Atışı...
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There is also the terrain mapping guidance that missiles like SOM use. Missile receives terrain pictures and co-relates that to the images in its data bank. It also has a picture of the target it needs to hit. Once it acquires it then it is game over for the target.
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What is going to be revealed today?
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Apparently new deliveries for Steel Dome(at least 1 Siper battery hopefully other systems too) and announcement of a new factory:
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Anyone heard about Flamingo cruise missile developed by a group of friends in construction, game design, and architecture in Ukraine (according to Wikipedia)? It seems to be a joke! The missile has a 3000km range and 1100kg war head. Accuracy 14m. Developed in 3 years! Now my question. We have been hearing about Gezgin since at least 10 years. Where is it? What is the problem here? Is Ukraine so much better than us? It is high time now that Gezgin is revealed with at least 1500km range and better accuracy. The secrecy is of no value now, if Ukraine has such a missile, then we would look bad if we don't reveal ours.
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As we see at İran vs İsrael , the missile doesnt matter today , everybody can produce a missile even groups like hamas , houthis or hezbullah but enemy can intercept it , bomb its production factory and faxk u hard . The problem is that missile should be high tech , steath , that when lunched to hit the enemy
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First and foremost, I wouldn't put much stock in what Ukraine is saying mate, they are a PR machine, constantly exaggerating or downright making stuff up. Which is understandable, they are the underdogs in an uneven war and they have to keep churning out good stories to keep the Western public interested and invested in their plight.
Secondly, they are in war. War time economy, production and invention are a completely different matter than peace time, even if it might seem like we might be in a war any day now. Ukraine is spending more than half of its entire budget on military right now, something like 25% of their entire GDP. And most of that amount comes from foreign help. If we did that, we'd be spending more than 200 billion dollars in a year. On top of the amount of money they can spend, they are getting fuck ton of equipment and munitions from other countries as well. Since their biggest problem has been hitting inside Russia from the start, they have clearly prioritized that, whether its drones or missiles.
And last, there is nothing special in making a missile fly 3000 km. The more fuel you put in, the farther it'll go (I know it is an oversimplification but missiles with that kind of range has been around since 1950s). As I said, they can claim anything, nobody is going to question them on its accuracy even if they use it. And if it fails, we won't even hear about it. I wouldn't get worked up about it mate.
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TAYFUN Block-4 için seri üretim tarihi açıklandı | SavunmaSanayiST
Roketsan Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, TAYFUN Block-4 balistik füzesinin yakında atış testine çıkacağını ve 2026'da seri üretime geçeceğini açıkladı.
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Roketsan MD Murat İkinci has made another statement reiterating the final speed of Tayfun Block 4 to be in excess of Mach5 when it hits it’s target:
“All ballistic missiles can actually reach speeds exceeding 5 Mach. The crucial point here is that they can travel at 5 Mach throughout their flight, and the target can be hit at a speed of 5 Mach. In this sense, the TAYFUN Block-4 is a hypersonic ballistic missile. This missile, as an idea, is a continuation of the TAYFUN, resulting from our own R&D efforts.
Why nobody is asking him how the missile is managing hypersonic speed at terminal stage? There is only one logical answer to this question, and that is it has propulsion during the the last 15-20 km of its downward flight. To do that it must have a reserve tank of fuel and that it‘s engine restarts before terminal stage.
This particular feature will render this missile close to impossible to intercept especially if it has manoeuvring capability during flight too. (One of the prerequisite features of “hypersonic missiles” is defined as manoeuvring capability.)
He also stated that Tayfun missile is already in serial production stage and the family of it will become bigger in variety.
Only thing missing now is a nuclear head.
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TAYFUN Block-4 için seri üretim tarihi açıklandı | SavunmaSanayiST
Roketsan Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, TAYFUN Block-4 balistik füzesinin yakında atış testine çıkacağını ve 2026'da seri üretime geçeceğini açıkladı.
Roketsan MD Murat İkinci has made another statement reiterating the final speed of Tayfun Block 4 to be in excess of Mach5 when it hits it’s target:
“All ballistic missiles can actually reach speeds exceeding 5 Mach. The crucial point here is that they can travel at 5 Mach throughout their flight, and the target can be hit at a speed of 5 Mach. In this sense, the TAYFUN Block-4 is a hypersonic ballistic missile. This missile, as an idea, is a continuation of the TAYFUN, resulting from our own R&D efforts.
Why nobody is asking him how the missile is managing hypersonic speed at terminal stage? There is only one logical answer to this question, and that is it has propulsion during the the last 15-20 km of its downward flight. To do that it must have a reserve tank of fuel and that it‘s engine restarts before terminal stage.
This particular feature will render this missile close to impossible to intercept especially if it has manoeuvring capability during flight too. (One of the prerequisite features of “hypersonic missiles” is defined as manoeuvring capability.)
He also stated that Tayfun missile is already in serial production stage and the family of it will become bigger in variety.
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Only thing missing now is a nuclear head.
Ballistic missiles are always vulnerable to mid course interception. Even the one that follows depressed trajectory.
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That is why they are made to manoeuvre during mid course and in some cases during terminal phase. That makes it near impossible to track and eventually establish radar lock.
The only anti missile systems that may work are:
Arrow 3, when exo-atmospheric hypersonic missiles slow down before reentry (block 4 doesn’t do that);
and SM6 IB that is in development and is supposed to counter any manoeuvres the hypersonic missile performs in real time during terminal phase..
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I have a question: Is it true that the Gökdogan has a range of over 100+ km, but that the Radar/Data Link of the F-16 Block 30 to Block 50+ limits the missile to 65+ km because it recognizes the missile as JDAM ammunition through emulation, and this is where the limitation lies?
And that this restriction will only be removed with the Özgür II upgrade?
And that this restriction will only be removed with the Özgür II upgrade?
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These are entirely different systems.
Turkey did use standard interfaces for PGMs in the past. Some munitions were interfaced as American ones, some, like SOM couldn't use one or two of the firing mods due to limitations while in flight and had to be armed while still on the ground etc.
Can't do that interfacing for AAMs, especially radar guided ones, because you need the radar to be able to speak to the missile.
Özgür II will indeed remove all the said limitations as it will basically entirely replace the original systems and also add our own radar.
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Okay, but I've heard that the data link update from the AN/APG-68 & Radar & Datalink is supposed to be one of the limiting factors and that the AAM missile is supposedly seen as something else by the aircraft's main computer.
So it's tricking the US onboard systems and fire control system into thinking something that isn't true, i.e., the missile is sending data to the aircraft's system bus, but is restricted by the software lock?
Because if an AIM 120C 7/8 has a range of 100-120+ km with the old F-16 Block 30, 40, and 50+, then something is wrong with the Gökdogan only reaching 65+ km without the Özgür II upgrade.
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I think 65+ km is not near the official range similar how hisar rf had a range of 25 km
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-Data Link between launching F-16 and missile is only one aspect
-Guess you should take into account the fact that The F-16 and ''other assets'' on for instance the Link 16 network build a tactical picture, identifying targets at extended ranges.
-The F-16 identifies a target and uses the data from the network
-there is no fixed value for the range of data link since data links operates within the line-of-sight of the aircraft
-Therefore Altitude, Terrain and Atmosphere are also effecting factors
-More importantly, dont want to speculate about Gökdoğan and its future but it is a known fact that certain BVR missile variants can receive data updates from other platforms besides the launching aircraft.... to provide extended range targeting. Therefore, theoretically there is Still a chance for using full potantial of Gökdoğan regardless of F 16 blocks (highly speculative statement)
-Yet not just ÖZGÜR but national data link and Network-Centric Warfare architecture are vital
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