TR Propulsion Systems

Samba said:

How much a tf6000 level engine cost when and if you can buy it?

5mil sounds a steal to me

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Honeywell Secures Major Engine Contract From Israel Ministry of Defense

/PRNewswire/ -- Honeywell (NYSE:HON), as part of the International Turbine Engine Company LLC, has signed a contract to supply its F124-GA-200 turbofan engines...

www.prnewswire.com

New F-35 Engine Contract Puts Fighter’s Price Around $100 Million

The Pentagon and Pratt & Whitney have reached a $2.88 billion deal on new F-35 engines, putting the price per jet at around $100 million.

www.airandspaceforces.com

Yasar_TR said:

Bro, it all depends on where it is being developed, and how much foreign input has been used.
According to unconfirmed estimates an engine like TF6000 should cost best part of 2 billion dollars when developed in Western countries. Having said that; According to again, unconfirmed estimates, India has already spent 400-500 million dollars on their Kaveri turbofan. So costbase plays a big part.

If you check that GE&RR partnership spent on F136 engine over 3billion dollars and needed more than another billion to finish it when they stopped development (With today’s money that would have been over 7billion dollars).

Now, if we are talking about buying an engine like TF6000 that is a different story.
Take Honeywell F124 non AB engine with similar thrust level; This engine in 2005 could have been purchased for 2.5 million. (That is 4.2 million dollars with today’s money)
Yet Israel bought 30 of these with very specific details and custom produced to their own specifications at an individual price of 24.5 million dollars in 2012.
TF6000 is going to be a more advanced engine than F124. So according to order quantity and the customer’s “needs” the price will vary.

Honeywell Secures Major Engine Contract From Israel Ministry of Defense

/PRNewswire/ -- Honeywell (NYSE:HON), as part of the International Turbine Engine Company LLC, has signed a contract to supply its F124-GA-200 turbofan engines...

www.prnewswire.com

Also cost price and sale price will be very different.
Even in a cost price, if you include development costs in individual engines, you will get a different price against if you don’t include.

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P&W‘s latest price to Pentagon for F135 engines was 20.4 million a piece.
But remember that there are going to be over 3000 of these planes needing many replacements too.

New F-35 Engine Contract Puts Fighter’s Price Around $100 Million

The Pentagon and Pratt & Whitney have reached a $2.88 billion deal on new F-35 engines, putting the price per jet at around $100 million.

www.airandspaceforces.com

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Samba said:

All numbers you have given still make me think that 5 mil of production cost of the first unit is steal/bargain/cheap.

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Yasar_TR said:

There is no way that first engine cost TEI 5million dollars. The amount of engineer-hours spent on computers to design it in virtual world then the time and effort of tens if not hundreds of technicians is not cheap. Just look at how long TR-Motor has been designing and developing the KAAN motor and with how many engineers.
No matter how cheap your labour and cost base is, there is no way it can be that cheap.

Yes the actual physical building cost of the prototype may have been 5million dollars. They have to individually manufacture each part , sometimes with additive technologies, instead of mass produce them in casts and dies/presses. It is a slow costly, almost production under laboratory conditions. That is what it must be. Not the actual development cost of the engine.

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TEI-PD200 Turbodiesel Aviation Engine​

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TEI - TEI-PD200 Turbodiesel Aviation Engine

www.tei.com.tr

begturan said:

There are also studies on titanium technology used in body production, I think the desired level will be reached in the 2030/35s.

Ongoing projects

Project / Institution	Stage	Description
ETI Maden – Titanium Dioxide Development Project	R&D / Pilot	Works on extracting TiO₂ from ilmenite ores found in Kütahya and Balıkesir regions.
TR-Minerals (Energy Ministry + MTA)	Planning	A mid-term (2030 target) plan to establish domestic titanium metal production.
TÜBİTAK MAM – Titanium Powder Metallurgy Project	Pilot	Produces titanium powder for aircraft engine parts using laser melting and additive manufacturing.
Sakarya / OSTİM – Titanium Alloy Forging Line Project	Feasibility	Joint initiative by TUSAŞ and private sector to build a high-temperature forging line for titanium.

Türkiye’s Current Titanium Capability

Area	Status	Notes
Ore reserves	Available	Not yet exploited
Titanium oxide production	Pilot phase	ETI Maden and MTA involved
Titanium sponge	Not available	Planned by 2030
Titanium powder (3D printing)	Pilot production	TÜBİTAK and TUSAŞ projects
Machining & forging	Advanced	Aerospace-certified, uses imported materials
Aircraft parts production	Ongoing	Used in F-35, A400M, TFX, Kızılelma, Gökhan programs

Türkiye currently cannot produce aerospace-grade titanium, but it can machine and process imported titanium alloys domestically. The country aims to achieve titanium sponge production by 2030, and full domestic alloy production for aircraft fuselages probablu by 2030/35. This would enable future Turkish aircraft programs such as the National Combat Aircraft (TF-X) and Kızılelma UCAV to use entirely locally produced titanium.

Since Türkiye had stockpiled enough titanium for its current programs, I think 5/10 years ago, the current projects will not be negatively affected by the embargoes.

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