TR Propulsion Systems

[mTT]

General Manager Prof. Dr. Mahmut Faruk Akşit:

The first prototypes produced are naturally expensive. The cost of the first TF6000 engine is $5 million.

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[Samba]

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How much a tf6000 level engine cost when and if you can buy it?

5mil sounds a steal to me

 

[Zafer]

How much a tf6000 level engine cost when and if you can buy it?

5mil sounds a stealth to me

$2 million

 

[Yasar_TR]

How much a tf6000 level engine cost when and if you can buy it?

5mil sounds a steal to me

Bro, it all depends on where it is being developed, and how much foreign input has been used.
According to unconfirmed estimates an engine like TF6000 should cost best part of 2 billion dollars when developed in Western countries. Having said that; According to again, unconfirmed estimates, India has already spent 400-500 million dollars on their Kaveri turbofan. So costbase plays a big part.

If you check that GE&RR partnership spent on F136 engine over 3billion dollars and needed more than another billion to finish it when they stopped development (With today’s money that would have been over 7billion dollars).

Now, if we are talking about buying an engine like TF6000 that is a different story.
Take Honeywell F124 non AB engine with similar thrust level; This engine in 2005 could have been purchased for 2.5 million. (That is 4.2 million dollars with today’s money)
Yet Israel bought 30 of these with very specific details and custom produced to their own specifications at an individual price of 24.5 million dollars in 2012.
TF6000 is going to be a more advanced engine than F124. So according to order quantity and the customer’s “needs” the price will vary.

Honeywell Secures Major Engine Contract From Israel Ministry of Defense

/PRNewswire/ -- Honeywell (NYSE:HON), as part of the International Turbine Engine Company LLC, has signed a contract to supply its F124-GA-200 turbofan engines...

www.prnewswire.com

Also cost price and sale price will be very different.
Even in a cost price, if you include development costs in individual engines, you will get a different price against if you don’t include.

EDIT:

P&W‘s latest price to Pentagon for F135 engines was 20.4 million a piece.
But remember that there are going to be over 3000 of these planes needing many replacements too.

New F-35 Engine Contract Puts Fighter’s Price Around $100 Million

The Pentagon and Pratt & Whitney have reached a $2.88 billion deal on new F-35 engines, putting the price per jet at around $100 million.

www.airandspaceforces.com

 

[Samba]

Bro, it all depends on where it is being developed, and how much foreign input has been used.
According to unconfirmed estimates an engine like TF6000 should cost best part of 2 billion dollars when developed in Western countries. Having said that; According to again, unconfirmed estimates, India has already spent 400-500 million dollars on their Kaveri turbofan. So costbase plays a big part.

If you check that GE&RR partnership spent on F136 engine over 3billion dollars and needed more than another billion to finish it when they stopped development (With today’s money that would have been over 7billion dollars).

Now, if we are talking about buying an engine like TF6000 that is a different story.
Take Honeywell F124 non AB engine with similar thrust level; This engine in 2005 could have been purchased for 2.5 million. (That is 4.2 million dollars with today’s money)
Yet Israel bought 30 of these with very specific details and custom produced to their own specifications at an individual price of 24.5 million dollars in 2012.
TF6000 is going to be a more advanced engine than F124. So according to order quantity and the customer’s “needs” the price will vary.

Honeywell Secures Major Engine Contract From Israel Ministry of Defense

/PRNewswire/ -- Honeywell (NYSE:HON), as part of the International Turbine Engine Company LLC, has signed a contract to supply its F124-GA-200 turbofan engines...

www.prnewswire.com

Also cost price and sale price will be very different.
Even in a cost price, if you include development costs in individual engines, you will get a different price against if you don’t include.

EDIT:

P&W‘s latest price to Pentagon for F135 engines was 20.4 million a piece.
But remember that there are going to be over 3000 of these planes needing many replacements too.

New F-35 Engine Contract Puts Fighter’s Price Around $100 Million

The Pentagon and Pratt & Whitney have reached a $2.88 billion deal on new F-35 engines, putting the price per jet at around $100 million.

www.airandspaceforces.com

All numbers you have given still make me think that 5 mil of production cost of the first unit is steal/bargain/cheap.

 

[Yasar_TR]

All numbers you have given still make me think that 5 mil of production cost of the first unit is steal/bargain/cheap.

There is no way that first engine cost TEI 5million dollars. The amount of engineer-hours spent on computers to design it in virtual world then the time and effort of tens if not hundreds of technicians is not cheap. Just look at how long TR-Motor has been designing and developing the KAAN motor and with how many engineers.
No matter how cheap your labour and cost base is, there is no way it can be that cheap.

Yes the actual physical building cost of the prototype may have been 5million dollars. They have to individually manufacture each part , sometimes with additive technologies, instead of mass produce them in casts and dies/presses. It is a slow costly, almost production under laboratory conditions. That is what it must be. Not the actual development cost of the engine.

 

[Samba]

There is no way that first engine cost TEI 5million dollars. The amount of engineer-hours spent on computers to design it in virtual world then the time and effort of tens if not hundreds of technicians is not cheap. Just look at how long TR-Motor has been designing and developing the KAAN motor and with how many engineers.
No matter how cheap your labour and cost base is, there is no way it can be that cheap.

Yes the actual physical building cost of the prototype may have been 5million dollars. They have to individually manufacture each part , sometimes with additive technologies, instead of mass produce them in casts and dies/presses. It is a slow costly, almost production under laboratory conditions. That is what it must be. Not the actual development cost of the engine.

I know that very well. The amount of money spent may be over 100mil just for production of a test unit. This is mandatory, acceptable, expected.

What i mean is the production cost for such a sample unit is still fine.

 

[Strong AI]

In our land vehicles, the TUNA engine has been made available to our soldiers with the Vuran and Kirpi vehicles, and the testing activities of the AZRA Gen-2, developed for tank carriers and logistics vehicles, are successfully ongoing.

The development and testing activities of the UTKU engine, which will be used in new generation tracked vehicles, and the BATU engine, developed for the ALTAY tank, have been completed, and the transmission test work for both UTKU and BATU is also progressing successfully.

In our unmanned aerial vehicles, the PD200 engine powering the TB3 has entered the inventory, testing activities continue with the PD170 engine integrated into ANKA and AKSUNGUR, and independent capabilities have been achieved with the PG50 engine for the Kargı UAV.

In our helicopters, certification tests of the national TS1400 turboshaft engine, which is the heart of the GÖKBEY helicopter, are ongoing, and mass production efforts are also being successfully carried out.

In our missiles and munitions, KTJ3200 for ATMACA and SOM, KTJ1750 for ÇAKIR, and KTJ3700 jet engines for KARA ATMACA have been developed and are being successfully used. Additionally, work on developing new generation missile engines continues.

In our naval platforms, the LEVEND engine has been integrated into the Marlin USV, and the Marin X7 into the ULAQ USV; testing activities for implementing the MAVİ BATU independent solution for our MİLGEM ships have been completed.

Haluk Görgün: KAAN ve yerli motor çalışmaları plana uygun ilerliyor

Ekonomi - Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Haluk Görgün, Milli Muharip Uçak KAAN ve yerli motor geliştirme çalışmalarının planlandığı gibi ilerlediğini, KAAN'ın geleceğinin hiçbir şekilde tek bir ülkenin motoruna bağlı olmadığını belirtti.

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