TR TF35000 Turbofan Engine

Zafer said:

Curious if the engine will first run as an afterburner engine or a version of it that will run without an afterburner will precede the afterburner engine.

With the smaller TF6000 series the TF10000 engine only emerged after the TF6000 engine was made. It made sense as the slower engine would be used on a slower plane like the Anka3. But with the TF35k engine there is no slower plane in sight so the engine will probably emerge as the final product from the getgo. An engine without an afterburner is expected to be lighter too so it can power a smaller planes if there was one.

The configurations below can be considered for various planes

• TF35k no AB > ???
• TF35k no AB twin engine >>>> stealth bomber ?
• TF35k AB > ???
• TF35k AB twin engine > Kaan

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zio said:

It depends on single engine structure.EJ 2000 can not be used as a single engine

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Zafer said:

Making the engine world class and making it usable are two different things. You can only sell world class engines to foreign users but you can use a usable engine yourself.

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Zafer said:

The engine is in the making, you can make it as you wish. You can make 2 versions of it, it won't take too long. Their difference will probably only mean a 5% extra work.

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I_Love_F16 said:

Making the TF-35000 as a ‘’usable’’ engine means cutting corners. You don’t do those kind of things on a plane like the Kaan, which is supposed to be the pinnacle of Turkish aeronautical manufacturing. On an unmanned plane why not, but not on Kaan. Pretty sure the Air force wouldn’t want it either.

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Zafer said:

Turkish Airforce want what Turkish industry makes.

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• TF35k no AB > LM 2500 equivalent domestic naval turbine
• TF35k no AB twin engine > Anka-3B
• TF35k AB > Hürjet-2
• TF35k AB twin engine > Kaan

IC3M@N FX said:

I doubt there will be a Hürjet 2; every country tends to opt for a mix of manned and unmanned aircraft

High-end: KAAN, GCAP, NGAD, FCAS, F-35/F-22

Mid-range: Multi-role Combat Drones of various Classes

Low-end: CAS, COIN, and air surveillance, drone command -> Hürjet, T-50, T-7 Red Hawk & Co

Yes, there will still be F-35s, F-15s, F-18s/F-16s, Rafale, and Eurofighter, and they will remain in active service until 2045+ simply because they are already in service; however, starting in 2035+, such Aircraft will reach the end of their service life as platforms; they will no longer be actively manufactured, except in special cases where there is a genuine need, e.g., F-35A & F-35C; otherwise, existing fleets will only be modernized.
Cost-effective multi-role stealth drones operating in swarms with 5,000–15,000+ lbf will permanently take over their role.

The drones will handle 60% of their tasks, while the remaining 40% will be handled by manned high-end and low-end fighter Aircraft.

This is the only way to keep costs down and manage a fleet of at least 500–600 manned and unmanned aircraft, as countries like Turkey, France, the United Kingdom, and others do. The United States, China, and Russia will have completely different fleet sizes because their demographics, population, and GDP allow for it, but the ratio will remain the same: 60% unmanned and 40% manned.

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Zafer said:

You can make your Hürjet optionally manned. If the mission is more like bombing certain targets your unmanned Hürjet can do that very well but if the mission requires decision making or management of drones in a fleet then you can fly manned.

In any case you have the engine to make the plane that will fill a role. It will be wasteful not to make it as you have already gone through the effort of making the plane by having made the engine ready and having the experience of making fighters before.

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IC3M@N FX said:

You’re right in principle, but the TF-35000 engine is still too expensive—it’s not a disposable product.
It makes no sense to install it in a single-jet configuration on a platform, whether operated as a hybrid (manned/unmanned) or fully unmanned.

In my opinion, the Hürjet should never have been designed with F-404 engines.

Instead, it should have been equipped with 2x AI322F engines from Ivchenko Progress, which would be replaced by 2x TF 10000 engines.
You would have had more thrust with 2x AI 322F -> 19,000 lbf instead of 17,600 lbf as with the F-404 engine, and with two engines, you would have had redundancy as a naval platform.

One could even have tuned the TF-10000 engines to 12,000–13,000 lbf, which would have provided 24,000 or 26,000 lbf for the Hürjet—effectively creating an Aircraft that falls between a Gripen E and an F-18 Hornet (not the Super Version).
That would have been 100% sufficient for Turkey as a training and Highend LCA platform like Gripen; we wouldn’t need either new Eurofighter or new F-16s.
With a delta-canard configuration and a clean design using composite materials, titanium…. supersonic speeds would even be possible without afterburners.

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Zafer said:

Agreement signed for the TF35k engine

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051702598860767434

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• Millî Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, SAHA 2026 Fuarı’nda Bakanlığımız AR-GE Merkezi tarafından üretilen yeni teknolojileri kamuoyuna açıkladı. Davetlilerin yoğun ilgi gösterdiği tanıtım töreninde;
• Ülkemizin ilk sıvı roket yakıtlı, hipersonik hızda seyir yapabilen ve en uzun menzile sahip YILDIRIMHAN UZUN MENZİLLİ FÜZE,
• Bütün kritik parçaları AR-GE Merkezimiz tarafından üretilen GÜÇHAN TURBO-FAN UÇAK MOTORU,
• Bütün türbin ve parçaları AR-GE Merkezimiz tarafından üretilen ONUR TURBO ŞAFT HELİKOPTER MOTORU,
• Geniş bir etki ve band kapatma kapasitesine sahip GÖLGEHAN JAMMER
• Kalibresinde dünyanın en hafif silahı olma özelliğine ve maksimum 2.100 metre atış menziline sahip PNR-53 SNIPER davetlilere gösterildi. Bakan Yaşar Güler, tanıtımı gerçekleştirilen sistemlerin ülkemize ve kahraman ordumuza hayırlı uğurlu olmasını temennisinde bulundu.

TR_123456 said:

''With the signatures of TRMOTOR, TUSAŞ, İDAK, HARPAX, ANOVA, ALP Aviation, TAAC, and PCS Test and Automation companies, our vision of full independence in the subsystem development processes of our national engine project has been solidified.''

What does this mean,what subsystems?

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Spitfire9 said:

Is TF35000 being designed with massive electrical power generation in mind?

This video about the engine being developed for the GCAP fighter looks at the importance of electrical power generation in its design.

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