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Strong AI · Sep 16, 2026

TR_123456 said:
When did Baykar build a turbofan engine from scratch?

I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

UkroTurk · Sep 16, 2026

Pokemonte13 said:
Also 20 kizilelma for one f16 like say something realistic like 3 or 4

If one F-16 costs 500 million USD in long term, why not?, it is highly possible. Of course it is just for Turkish Air Force not for foreigners.

Sanchez · Sep 16, 2026

Strong AI said:
Actually it is according to Mr. Akşit

TEI of course doesn't have its capital in a bank. Money they make from build to print parts is good enough to keep the lights on but they can hardly handle more than one self funded project at the same time.

There's no fiscal sense in building a PT6 competitor in this market, TEI would be idiots to fund one themselves. Baykar and SSB have the required money though. Hence my comment that money itself is not the issue.

UkroTurk said:
If one F-16 costs 500 million USD in long term, why not?, it is highly possible. Of course it is just for Turkish Air Force not for foreigners.

What's Kızılelma's lifecycle cost? Or Akıncı even. Drones for example require as many if not more ground staff to handle than jets. Unmanned does not necessarily require less manpower. All that gets added to the lifecycle costs. Pilots too. UCAV pilots don't get LIFT training so they are cheaper to train, but there are more of them per airframe. When we talk about lifecycle costs, these numbers all get added in.

TR_123456 · Sep 16, 2026

Strong AI said:
I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

The way you wrote it it means they already did,maybe rephrase it?
Lets see first if they can.

Strong AI · Sep 16, 2026

TR_123456 said:
The way you wrote it it means they already did,maybe rephrase it?
Lets see first if they can.

This is what i wrote. Context matters.

Strong AI said:
He literally says Baykar will develop an engine for KIZILELMA.

TR_123456 · Sep 16, 2026

Strong AI said:
This is what i wrote. Context matters.

Are you joking or what?

''If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.''

What does this sentence mean?

boredaf · Sep 16, 2026

Strong AI said:
He literally says Baykar will develop an engine for KIZILELMA. If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.

Strong AI said:
I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

He can say whatever he likes, until they actually show the capability to do more than put together an engine with off-the-shelf parts, it means jack shit, it is just talk. First let's see him invest the billions necessary to create the ecosystem and expertise needed specifically for a turbofan jet engine.

Strong AI · Sep 16, 2026

TR_123456 said:
Are you joking or what?

''If you can build a turbofan engine from scratch you should be able to convert an already existing turboshaft into a turboprop.''

What does this sentence mean?

Are you for real now?

Look at my first sentece. "They will develop it"
Look at my second sentence. "If you can make it, you should be able to do ..."

first sentence will, second sentence if.

Actually you know what.
I wanted to write this for some time personally to you but since you do this publicly i will write this here.
How many members have this forum but how many are active?
And most of them come here only for news.
It is really funny that sometimes the politics thread is more active than defence realated threads on this defence related forum.
Also you guys said several times that old well known members will return, which didn't happen.

Once i post something to start a discussion, i get critisized for god knows what.

Kindly please delete all my posts and my account. Thank you. I wanted already to do this for some time and you gave me another reason now.

Zafer · Sep 16, 2026

TS1400 is a radial flow engine while the new TS3000 engine is likely to be an axial flow engine which is more suitable for conversion into a turboprop engine. You still need to wait for it to be made though.

Zafer · Sep 16, 2026

If Baykar think they can make a turbofan engine which is evident from the fact that they are supposedly working on it then they can be considered to be very well qualified to convert a turboshaft engine into a turboprop one. The fact that they believe they can make and they actually make are two different situations but with 9000 personnel and counting they are almost guarantied to be able to make it.

Huelague · Sep 16, 2026

Strong AI said:
I never said they did, they are working on it. If they can make a turbofan, they should be able to convert a turboshaft to turboprop.

What do they need to build one?
Maybe the political/company will?
Maybe money? Maybe innovation. Maybe employees? Maybe experience (must not be from inside Baykar). I can’t see big hurdles except time.

boredaf · Friday at 10:09 AM

18 Ülke İzledi: ASELSAN'dan ANTIDOT ve FULMAR Podlarıyla Demo | SavunmaSanayiST

ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen ANTIDOT ve FULMAR Podlarının entegre edildiği Bayraktar TB2 İHA'lar ile 18 ülkeye demo faaliyeti gerçekleştirildi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Watched by 18 Countries: Demo of ASELSAN’s ANTIDOT and FULMAR Pods

The ASELSAN-manufactured ANTIDOT Electronic Support and Warfare Pod and FULMAR 200 Synthetic Aperture Radar Pod, integrated into Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, successfully performed their missions during an international demonstration event attended by 18 different countries.
Within the scope of the activity, ANTIDOT and FULMAR pods operating on Bayraktar TB2s worked in coordination and demonstrated their electronic support, electronic attack, reconnaissance and surveillance capabilities in the same operational scenario.

During the demonstration activity, ANTIDOT 2ES 100 and ANTIDOT 2EA 200 pods were integrated onto one Bayraktar TB2, while a FULMAR 200 pod was integrated onto another. In the initial test, the ANTIDOT system successfully detected the target radar system and pinpointed its location during flight. After the ANTIDOT ED pod transmitted the acquired target data, an electronic attack was launched against the target using the ANTIDOT ET pod. This enabled the ANTIDOT-equipped Bayraktar TB2 to approach the target undetected.

In the second phase of the demonstration activity, a different target was detected and its location determined by the ANTIDOT System. Subsequently, a high-resolution SAR image of the target was generated by the FULMAR 200 Radar, and high-precision positional data regarding the target was obtained.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2100906855354536030

Pokemonte13 · Friday at 12:24 PM

Mini growler

Angry Turk !!! · Friday at 12:44 PM

This openness to show every fucking foreign military how and what we do is pissing me off...

Sanchez · Friday at 12:50 PM

Angry Turk !!! said:
This openness to show every fucking foreign military how and what we do is pissing me off...

We have a decent sized military rearming at decent pace but our defence industry is growing exponentially. MSB simply cannot feed SSB. This structure doesn't work without exports. Hardly anything actually secret is shown during these semi public tests.

Angry Turk !!! · Friday at 12:57 PM

Sanchez said:
We have a decent sized military rearming at decent pace but our defence industry is growing exponentially. MSB simply cannot feed SSB. This structure doesn't work without exports. Hardly anything actually secret is shown during these semi public tests.

I think showing anything related to EW is too much, show a rifle or manpad or whatever but not these kind of things.

AlperTunga · Saturday at 3:54 AM

Angry Turk !!! said:
I think showing anything related to EW is too much, show a rifle or manpad or whatever but not these kind of things.

They are just showing that EW works, not revealing really anything about how it works and certainly not the underlying software. We also need to be deterrent such that some adventurous countries do not attempt attacking us. Showing a rifle or manpad would not deter anyone.

Pokemonte13 · Sunday at 5:59 AM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2101614300536201620

Another ch 95 shot down with eren even seeker footage is available

Lool · Sunday at 8:32 AM

Pokemonte13 said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2101614300536201620
Another ch 95 shot down with eren even seeker footage is available

The Akinci drone is becoming more effective day by day
Baykar should initiate plans to develop an even bigger Akinci capable of carrying even more payloads. It is slowly becoming a cheap and excellent bomber as well as a lethal MALE drone killer

Yasar_TR · Sunday at 11:01 AM

Lool said:
The Akinci drone is becoming more effective day by day
Baykar should initiate plans to develop an even bigger Akinci capable of carrying even more payloads. It is slowly becoming a cheap and excellent bomber as well as a lethal MALE drone killer

They don’t need to build a “bigger” Akinci.
They just need to improve it’s structural construction and aerodynamic performance.
Just look at the below difference between MQ-9 Reaper Advanced specs and Akinci-C specs.

Akıncı C with its 2 x 850HP engines has the same maximum payload limit as the Akinci-A with 2 x 450HP engines. Why? Because the structure can’t handle any more.

Akıncı C should outclass the Reaper Advanced with its more powerful engines. But it doesn’t. Because the design needs to be changed. It can neither carry more payload than Reaper Advanced nor can it go higher in altitude. Yet they are similar in length and wing span.
The Reaper outperforms Akinci-C nearly in all aspects.

Head-to-Head Specifications

Feature	MQ-9A Reaper (Advanced / ER / Block 5)	Baykar Bayraktar Akıncı-C (2 x 850HP)
Power Plant	1 × Honeywell TPE331-10GD Turboprop	2 × 850 HP Turboprop Engines (Total: 1700 HP)
Total Engine Power	~900 Shaft Horsepower (SHP)	~1,700 Horsepower
Max Takeoff Weight (MTOW)	Up to 5,307 kg for ER variant	6,000 kg
Total Payload Capacity	1,701 kg (3,750 lbs)	1,500 kg (~1,350 kg weapons + 150 kg internal sensors)
Max Speed / Cruise Speed	240 KTAS / ~200 KTAS	~240 KTAS / 150 KTAS
Service Ceiling	50,000 feet (15,240 m)	40,000 feet (12,192 m)
Max Endurance	27 hours (34 hours for Extended Range with wing pods)	24+ hours
Wingspan / Length	20.1 m / 11 m	20 m / 12.2 m
Primary Armament	AGM-114 Hellfire, GBU-12 Paveway II, GBU-38 JDAM	MAM-L/C/T, SOM Cruise Missile, Gökdoğan & Bozdoğan Air-to-Air missiles, TRG-230-UAV
Core Avionics & Radar	Lynx Multi-mode Radar, MTS-B EO/IR turret	Aselsan MURAD Multi-Mode AESA Radar, Indigenous EO/IR, SIGINT

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