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Even in a hypothetical scenario that is not that plausible where Kaan ends up as 4th gen, i'm still okay with that, somehow we gotta start from 0 and reach certain point, you can't walk without learning kneewalking, you can't run without learning walking, i think our industry is quite capable...

Just to add to this very true take, what's more important is the stability of the currency(inflation/deflation), when the currency is very unstable, inland market has hard time on setting the real prices, which what they end up doing is overpricing just so they can compensate against very...

By just reading this part i can tell that this friend has not lived in Turkey for a very long time, i'm not trying to personally target him but living in Turkey as a Turk can be considered one of the worst fates. A typical normal Turkish person dosn't even have a free healthcare compared to a...

Well, the problem is not only legal anymore, the production line in UK is about to fully close if there are not any new orders and that's not acceptable for the future of Tempest, Turkey may even consider buying more EFs if they end up liking the plane and also receive the option to integrate...

Yeah, i saw this too and i just "meh" and scrolled down, it's not even exciting anymore. What exciting is too see how different P1 and P2 will be compared to the Ground Prototype.

Concept wise, we don't even know how much a 6th gen will differ from a 5th gen. The most important features of a 6th gen would be : AI/Autonomy and Network -Centric Warfare where the 6th gen frame utilizes and communicates both with ground and air systems such as Satellites, Drones, Radars etc...

The question here is not whether we are going to succeed or not, because we are going to succeed no matter what, it's a matter of time, we have no other choice.

I mean, i also support of us getting f35s but let's assume that the issue is indeed only S-400, why are we so stubborn on holding on these systems then? That's the part that i can't find any answer, is it purely political?

Well as i said before too S-400 has became the excuse to kick us out, i'm not denying that it was our mistake to do such thing, all i'm trying to say is that if the only problem were S-400, we could've already solved it by now. He mentions something very important too, "despite the lobbies...

I don't know, i also thought the same but in a recent video of Kaner Kurt, mr. Özgür Ekşi(founder of TurDef) talked about this issue with a very detailed infrormation, which explains a lot of stuff of what happened in the background. I personally value his views on these topics, if you are...

Again, while you are right about how we came to this situation, it dosn't really matter, we have a reality in front of us that won't change in close future, and we have to act according to it. Even if we change our minds, will Israel back out from supporting YPG after this long?

I'm well aware of this but the topic is not this, you guys are taking my point out of topic, if that was any problem we wouldn't even consider buying Eurofighters in the first place. I'm repeating my point again, incase of Americans not giving us engines, what are we going to do? Best case...

It dosn't matter who served who, the purchase of S-400 were wrong for multiple reasons. US-Turkey relations will never improve 1 for very simple reason, Lobbying. As long as lobbying is main way to get your needs out of USA, we will never get what we need from them.

If you think that the reason for us being getting sanctioned and getting kicked out of f35 program is due to S-400, you are so wrong. Look when exactly we got sanctioned and since when Israel was lobbying to kick us out of F35 program, it dates back to 2008. S-400 was only an excuse, the real...

Getting along with US means bending over for YPG and Israel for their needs, are you okay with that for f110 engine? What is your source for Chinese engines creating chaos? Are you aware of how good WS Variants of Chinese engines are? especially the WS-15 which is considered a better engine...

Oh wow, something that won't exist until early 2032s, and on top of that is better than something that is already working and installed in J20, J35 and their big ass cargo engines, makes totally sense. What is your solution if we can't get f110 or f404. Wait until TF35K enters serial production...

We won't be in any deep trouble, there are close alternatives to those engines, if they refuse to provide us with what we need, it's their choice. One way another we are going to get something of stop gap either from them or from someone else. This time they won't even have anything in their...

While we indeed got sanctioned during the Trump goverment, let's not forget that Trump chose the one of the less destructive sanction against us, imagine what those sanctions would have been if we got sanctioned during Democrats goverment.

This, this, this, and 100 times this. But we don't even have a damn domestic engine project for it, i don't know at this rate, is it me who overvalues Hurjet or they undervalue it? Maybe due to Kizilelma they don't think that Hurjet is important, i don't really know.

The planned production rate of Kaan is 2 per month in a scenario where there is no production issues, so assuming that everything goes well: we can build 24 Kaans per year which adds up to 240 in 10 years, that's already enough spreading of production. In my opinion, it's really early to talk...