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Source 7 Baxter, Craig, ed. (2004). Pakistan on the Brink: Politics, Economics, and Society. Lexington Books. p. 23. ISBN 978-0-7391-0498-9. While the Indians had suffered heavy casualties, their military and political victory at Kargil was a galvanizing factor for Indian pride and...

Actually if Pak wasn't known primarily for terrorism, it would be known for street poopers, cousin shaggers and slumdogs. It's just their some of their vices seem to overshadow their other numerous vices. Unless of course the Pakistani street popper is also a suicide bomber. That's when the shit...

Any proof or is this one more of your fantasies where India lives rent free in your head?

It's the sign of their frustration and lack of an argument. Imagine being a wife, mother or daughter in such an environment.

Let's not stoop to their level.

"less than males". Well, that's pretty sexist and misogynistic. Wonder how Pak Army and Bhutto felt as they groveled in front of what they saw as "less than male" Indira Gandhi. Must have been a sight for sore eyes. I don't wish to derail this topic either. But a sexist comment deserves to be...

But when has India ever sought to "resolve the issue by use of arms"? Why would India want to be seen as an aggressor when it is the status quo power?

They are neither Indian, nor Pakistani - thus by large eliminating biases. Of course some might be biased like Dr. Fair but outliers in scholarly circles can't take away from the mainstream conclusion.

Source 6 Reiter, Erich; Hazdra, Peter (2013). The Impact of Asian Powers on Global Developments. Springer. p. 9. ISBN 978-3-662-13172-5. Diethelm Weidemann in his analysis of the recent Kargil conflict between India and Pakistan. As one of the reasons for Pakistan's defeat, Weidemann...

Thanks. Putting a video of one seemingly biased scholar Ms. Fair doesn't negate the works of others. Again, if you have a counter narrative from any scholarly source, feel free to post it.

@Kaptaan and other members who wish to read neutral accounts and not let this thread be derailed into an Indo-Pak slugfest. I've started this thread and posted 5 neutral accounts with page numbers. Those having a counter narrative from neutral sources, feel free to do so. Thus this thread can...

Source 5 Dettman, Paul R. (2001). India Changes Course: Golden Jubilee to Millennium. Greenwood Publishing Group. pp. 130, 131, 140, 177. ISBN 978-0-275-97308-7. p. 130: the BJP could go to the people as the party that had undergirded India's victory over Pakistan in the Kargil 'war'. p. 131...

Source 4 Murphy, Eamon (2013). The Making of Terrorism in Pakistan: Historical and Social Roots of Extremism. Routledge. p. 128. ISBN 978-0-415-56526-4. Pakistan had been humiliated. The military defeat was compounded by the diplomatic isolation of Pakistan, which was now viewed internationally...

Source 3 Perkovich, George (2002). India's Nuclear Bomb: The Impact on Global Proliferation. University of California Press. p. 479. ISBN 978-0-520-23210-5. The Kargil war ended as had previous wars, with an Indian victory.

Source 2 Carranza, Mario Esteban (2013). South Asian Security and International Nuclear Order: Creating a Robust Indo-Pakistani Nuclear Arms Control Regime. Routledge. p. 82. ISBN 978-1-317-05226-5. India was not deterred from launching a successful counteroffensive on its side of the LOC by...

I'll start with some neutral accounts of the most recent war between India and Pakistan - the war in Kargil in 1999. To help people interested in history - I've not only given the name of the book, but also the page number. Others feel free to add sources or counter narratives Source 1...

Thanks for your thoughts. In the real world, scholars disagree through undisputed facts which contrary to your amusing and naive narrative but I can see why reality bites someone from Pakistan. I do not wish to comment on your fetishes with posteriors, naked or not. To each his own.

If you wish to defend the abysmal record of Pakistan Army, so be it. This thread is not about 1971 - I don't know why Pakistanis always bring it up - must be a matter of great shame. I am happy to debate the Indo - Pak wars on the appropriate forums to discuss multiple Indian victories and...

The use of such language is unnecessary even if I agree with the broader point here.