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Wkk .... Oh how much sarcasm could be summed up in such a simple sentences .... ☕☕ @Mado comment below has answered your very question . Compounded with a corrupted mentality . It's a litle wonder on why we are stucked in these damnable situation ..

Everything has to start from something . Rather than spend thousand hours of research and wasted lot of $$ . Turkey take the pragmatic approaches and find a technological mature JV partnership in the hand of desperate Ukranian . And boy .... I wished our leaders has the turkish sensibility too ...

I wish things were so clear cut and simple as you're insinuated to be . Without our highest regard to the Turks we won't bother to spectating such demonstration at all . In case you haven't noticed . That CH 4 and it's derivatives were the latest ever big item tickets we were ever procured from...

Well , what would you expect then ?? For all it's intents and purposes it's our midlefinger gesture for them While the analogy were on point my biggest support for these cheap and affordable OPV idea is it was allready within our technological and manufacturing capabilities . Provided the...

Hey , don't shoot the messenger here bruh . I just typed whatever name floated in mind that day .... Lucky for us i don't remember about Udin petot's 'till i've allready posting in it . 🚴🚴

And all our discussion here going back to the square one lol . But , the optimism side of me pray that it would've been prepared in the next budget revision of the said approved one .

Well , in the present situation they kinda a perfect counter balance for the kadrun mania ( kinda ironic tho' ) . But , i agree ... Too much leeway given could only bring more hazard and land us in the volatile situation .

The down side of democracy ... When too much political correctness goes toxic . But , that's also part of the process . Too much time in prosperity tend to clouding everybody's mind and change their perception of reality . Nothing's sort off kicked hard to their nose and bleeding will ever...

Well , kidnapping was a harsh words . Please , don't slander the Indonesia reputation here bruh ... It's just a short time visitation tour after all . All the lodging and food are provided for too . Between some " bonding moment " with electrical apliances , wooden chair and some orchestrated...

Would somebody kindly pointing our @Philips brother here on what is the real meaning of Black Luxio/Avanza express really is ... I'm give up ... 😭😭

What would you expect then ?? Juminten tracking system ?? Monitor and analisa ... It wouldn't be further than that !! 🙄🙄

And yet some people just doesn't get it ... 🙄🙄 Well , look like those message doesn't get sended or interpreted correctly ... For most of Indonesian that was an Instant recipe for a fun ride in the black Luxio express

It was been said before and i'll said it again ... There could be only 1 item from US . Either F 16 or F 15 but never both . That's alone allready send our message across the pond very clearly .

The US will definitely block such scenario . The last thing US would ever wish is another rising power drifting away from their sphere . Not to mention the Indonesia and Turkey was a natural born ally even with all both of their current reluctance , economic disparity and political baggages . (...

If this Phil's deal get through somehow it could tilt our current backroom dealing isn't ?? Off course some candies are definitely would get thrown around to greaseing the process because somehow i get the impression thing haven't been really finalized as yet .

Nobody deny that ... But , still even deep down inside , you are still reluctant to accept those F 35 . Jumping straight from 4th G to 5 G requires not only a massive of technological investment it also requires a certain change of mind setting . Which most of us who know our AF top brasses...

Are you seriously comparing us with the US ?? One who has been world wide sales marketing and dictate 80 % the technological trend compared to us who barely make anything we need on our own ?? Really ...? Reality check here pal !!! We are sorely under their whim .economic and technology ...

And brother ... All of those brilliant ideas are needed a commitment and efforts for it to become manifested reality . With a different regimes and different political agendas hijacked with a corruptional intentions all of those Indonesian potential are squandered away . We have too much...

Dude , while i shared the sentiment . The time isn't ripe as yet .... What Indonesia lack is never money , brain power , technoogical means nor a die hard fanatic potential . What we lacked is mostly commitment . Do you think all of this corrupted environment couldn't be dealt with within decade...

I wished things are that simple and clear cut as you presummed to be . Even Sokor , Turkey and Japan had to bleeds deep just trying to earn that licensing grants . And they were allready acknowlegded as an Ally and bleeds their soldier for an american causes . We were never gonna earn the same...