A New Superpower Is Forming. Chances Are You've Never Heard Of It.

Recent events such as Azerbaijan's victorious war against Armenia and the unprecedented expansion of the Turkic Council suggest that the Turkic world is inching towards unification. At the current pace, it is inevitable. In a war between the existing superpowers, control over the Turkic lands stretching from Central Asia to Thrace could prove to be decisive. Therefore, a unified Turkic entity would prove to be an indispensable strategic ally. In this article we will provide an outline of the Turkic World, the Turkic Council, the geopolitical situation surrounding the Turkic nations and why the Turkic nations are set to become powerful.

A summary of today's Turkic world​

Starting from the far eastern border of Kazakhstan, straddling over Asia Minor across to Thrace, the Turkic world is without a doubt, vast. However, it does not stop at Turkey's border with Greece and Bulgaria. Hungary, which lays in Central Europe also sees itself as part of the Turkic World. Not to mention Turkic minorities in Eastern Europe such as the Christian Gagauz Turks. Looking south, there is the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus a well as people of Turkic origin in northern Syria and Iraq. There are even millions who have partial Turkic heritage in northern Africa.

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Central Asia (Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan & Turkmenistan)

In the far east, both Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan share a mountainous border with China. The jagged peaks of the Tian Shan Mountains serve as a natural barrier against the eastern giant. However, in contrast to the mountains, most of this region consists of expansive steppes. The weather is inhospitable, being freezing in winter and hot in summer. The windy plains of Central Asia aren't ideal for agriculture, hence why people in this region have relied on a pastoral lifestyle. This is one of the reasons why the populations in this region have remained relatively low.

The harshness of this region is what crafted the warlike nature of the Turkic people. However, even if resources seem sparse on the surface, below, valuable materials are abundant. Central Asia is rich in oil and gas resources, holding 1.9% of the world's proven oil reserves and 10.6% of natural gas. Furthermore, Kazakhstan produced 43% of the world's uranium in 2019 and is estimated to have 13% of the world's uranium reserves.

Across the Caspian (Azerbaijan, Turkey & TRNC)


Separated from the rest of the Turkic World by the world's largest lake, Azerbaijan is a small yet wealthy nation. Sitting in the Caucasus, it generally enjoys better conditions than its Central Asian counterparts. It also has an abundance of oil and gas. Previously it had a portion of its territory under occupation by Armenian forces, but with the support of Turkey, it built a formidable military which dealt a decisive blow to Armenia in late 2020, leading to the end of a 30-year occupation.

Cut off from Azerbaijan's main landmass by a small strip of Armenian territory, Turkey long had no access to Azerbaijan other than through Iran or Georgia. Now with Armenia's defeat, the Meghri Corridor is becoming a reality. Simply put, this new route means that direct trade and travel between Turkey and Azerbaijan is now possible. This also means that there is contiguous Turkic territory from Thrace to the far east of Central Asia for the first time in modern history (though the Caspian still stands in the way).

Turkey, the most populous and well known of the Turkic nations, largely lies on the Anatolian peninsula, with a small portion of land in Europe. With the Bosporus cutting through the middle of the largest city in the Turkic World, Istanbul, large vessels must travel through Turkey to enter the Black Sea. Turkey is also an important route for east-west trade, as it is a gate between Europe and Asia.

Climatically speaking, Turkey is a mosaic. The nation has a variety of climate zones and each region of the nation has a unique environment. Turkey alone has a quarter more species of flora and fauna than the entirety of Europe. Despite the rich environment and self-sustaining agriculture, it has long been thought that Turkey lacks in the underground resources department. However, this couldn't be further from the truth. Turkey has vast thorium reserves, often estimated to be within the top 5 in the world. Even more significant is Turkey's huge boron reserves. An estimated 70% of the world's boron is found in Turkey. Furthermore, Turkey has long kept out of the search for oil and gas, yet has recently stepped up efforts to discover fields in the Black Sea, Aegean and Mediterranean, often knocking heads with Greece as a result.

South of Turkey, the Island of Cyprus sits in the north-eastern Mediterranean. Though the south is internationally recognised, the north which is under Turkish control is not. Despite embargoes and countless efforts from the EU to dissolve the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, it still stands to this day. Geostrategically it makes sense for Turkey to hold the north as it facilitates power projection throughout the Eastern Mediterranean and can serve as a buffer against naval threats from the south.

Central Europe (Hungary)

Situated in the flat plains of Central Europe, Hungary is isolated in more than just one way. This landlocked nation is linguistically distinct from all its neighbours. Part of the Uralic language family, it's related to Estonian and Finnish. Though it is thought that this language family is connected to the Turkic languages. Which makes sense, as there are obvious similarities between the two. To add to this, the Hungarians are the descendants of the Huns, who were proto-Turkic people who left Central Asia centuries before the Turks did. Essentially, this means that the Turks and Hungarians had the same origin, thus Hungary sees itself as part of the Turkic World. This is not conjecture, the Hungarians have joined the Turkic Council as an observer state, opened up an office in Budapest specifically for the Turkic Council and Orban has made it clear that he sees Hungary as a Turkic nation.

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Opening of the Turkic Council office in Budapest

Hungary, considered to be part of Central Europe, is also located near the boundaries of both Eastern and Southeastern Europe. This makes Hungary the perfect launchpad for the Turkic Council's cooperation with Europe.


GDP PPP (millions)PopulationArea (sq. km)
Turkey2,381,59484,919,015783,562
Kazakhstan569,62818,923,9122,724,900
Hungary316,3429,644,64486,000
Uzbekistan250,15733,778,542
447,400
Azerbaijan146,45910,198,79293,030
Kyrgyzstan31,4396,595,264199,900
Turkmenistan99,3236,089,563491,210
Total3,794,942170,149,7324,826,602


A New Doctrine Fuelled By Turkey's Prowess​

Plagued with Soviet Era equipment and tactics, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan have had militaries that aren't fit for the modern battlefield. This was especially problematic for Azerbaijan as they faced an active security threat for decades. So how did this change in 2020?

Previously, Azerbaijan used similar weaponry and tactics to their opponent, Armenia. Reliant on T-72 main battle tanks and an assortment of artillery systems, the Azerbaijani military had occasional skirmishes with the Armenian forces in Nagorno-Karabakh, which would often end in stalemate. In 2016, Azerbaijan was able to recapture some land after heavily investing in its military capabilities. However, the real turning point happened in 2020.

After mid-year skirmishes, Turkey and Azerbaijan held military drills in early August. This was an indication that Turkey was committed to helping its ally. What wasn't expected, was Azerbaijan's highly effective use of drones. For those who didn't follow Turkey's drone operations in Syria and Libya, Azerbaijan's drone blitz was a shocking surprise. Regardless, even most military observers couldn't anticipate the scale of the drone assault. Turkish drones fitted with domestically produced laser-guided micro-munitions coupled with Turkey's highly advanced Koral electronic warfare system proved to be an irrefutably effective combo. Israeli suicide drones also played a big part in taking out high-value targets.


This is an indication of how well-developed and significant Turkey's military-industrial complex has become. Not only is Turkey producing quality equipment, but also using them highly effectively, furthermore, training their closest ally to use the weaponry to decisively win a conflict. Turkey's defence industry, restarted in the 1970s, is quickly gaining pace. A glance at Turkey's current defence industry product catalogue reveals an impressive list of equipment. However, upcoming projects such as the TFX fighter jet, MIUS/Goksungur jet-powered drone programs, ULAQ autonomous combat ships and countless other endeavours are what will propel the Turkish defence industry to the next stage. Once these programs are complete the Turkish defence industry will be fully independent and the expansion of Turkey's military in terms of asset numbers will rapidly increase.

All Turkic states have purchased equipment from Turkey, mainly armoured personnel carriers. However, after Azerbaijan's victory in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Turkic World started to take notice of Turkey's more complex military products. Especially Kazakhstan, which sent defence officials to examine TB2 drones in Turkey. This was preceded by the Turkish Defence Minister's visit to Kazakhstan, where deals regarding military training and cooperation in the defence sector were signed.

With the natural resource wealth of Azerbaijan and the Central Asian Turkic states, combined with Hungary's highly educated population, cooperation between Turkey and the rest of the Turkic world can drive the Turkish defence industry forward at an impressive rate. In return, Turkey can provide quality defence products at a good price along with training. As militaries around the world study and begin works on emulating Turkey's drone doctrine, the Turkic world can swiftly adopt this new method of warfare with the help of the pioneer of these tactics and strategies. All sides will benefit from this and therefore it is inexorable.

Strategic Depth

Strategic depth plays a monumental role in the security of nations in times of all-out war. It's what made the Soviet Union and the USA stand strong in World War II. Both had factories deep in their territory, far away from threats. This is extremely important, as when weapon and food production plants are wiped out, the nation then has to rely on what's left. Not to mention that a lack of strategic depth also means that stockpiled weapons and mass storage of fuel, food and other important resources are compromised.

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Concerning the Turkic world, strategic depth is most evident in Central Asia. It is a deeply landlocked region, far from naval threats. Shielded by mountains to the east, rugged and desolate terrain in the south and the Caspian Sea to the east, Central Asia is not only vast but also protected by natural barriers. Only the north is exposed. This makes cooperation with Russia vital.

Though Turkey is larger than any European nation (apart from Russia), it could still benefit from having additional strategic depth. It is no coincidence that Kazakhstan hosts Aselsan factories and has invited Turkey to open up more factories and headquarters in its territory.

Turkey could also serve as a strategic stronghold against any eastern threat to the Turkic world. Whether through shipments or by quick flights over the Caspian, Turkey could quickly send reinforcements to Central Asia. In this sense, Anatolia and Central Asia complement each other.

An unstable neighbourhood

In contrast to the Central Asian portion of the Turkic World, Turkey is surrounded by failed states and economically weak neighbours. Greece is attempting to catch up to Turkey's military despite its small population and weak economy, further worsening its debt. The Balkans will increasingly rely on the support of Turkey, a perfect region for Turkish and Hungarian cooperation. Meanwhile, to the north, Ukraine and Georgia see Turkey as a valuable counterbalance against Russia. Eastwards there is Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran. With Armenia still trying to patch itself up from the 44-day-long war, Azerbaijan stands stronger than ever before, with Iran watching cautiously.

To the south, there are two failed states, Iraq and Syria. Both war-torn countries will not see stability unless a regional power subjugates them. The only nations capable of achieving this are Iran or Turkey. The issue for Iran is any occupation would be met by Israeli and American strikes. Though Iran boasts a large arsenal of missiles and perhaps the greatest number of proxy forces throughout the Middle East, they cannot protect their troops. The missiles act as a deterrent against an invasion of Iran, not as a deterrent against attacking their positions in Iraq or Syria. On the other hand, the Turkish military can head in and stay in. Syria is already in the process of breaking apart, meanwhile, Iraq will suffer the same fate, perhaps sometime within the next decade.

Though many western journalists will point to "Neo-Ottomanism", this is pure sophistry. Turkey would prefer not to meddle in the Middle East at all. It only does so out of necessity. Both Iraq and Syria are full of PKK terrorists, who pose a security threat to Turkey and the local population. As Syria broke apart, a power vacuum formed, first filled by ISIS, then YPG/PKK. Turkey has fought both groups and subsequently held the territories captured from them.

There can only be two outcomes for Iraq and Syria. They could get armed and trained by Turkey, become a force that is interoperable with the Turkish Armed Forces and ultimately defeat militant groups in the north. Or they could keep their current policies, turn a blind eye to the situation and watch as Turkey rolls in.

Though Syria and Iraq are the most obvious candidates for Turkish intervention, it must be noted that any nation in Turkey's neighbourhood is susceptible. Libya is a clear example of this. The GNA, the UN-recognised government, was about to collapse as Haftar's forces, backed by the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, France, Greece and partially by Russia, were encroaching the capital. A relatively small deployment of TB2 drones, T-122 Sakarya MLRS, Korkut SPAAG and a few other weapon systems completely changed the tide. With Turkey's modest deployment, the GNA was able to push the LNA back to Sirte.

The big question​

Watching the Turkic World rise has made some nervous, particularly nations with historical animosity towards the Turks. But the real question is how do the big players react, and who will the Turkic World ally with? We simply don't know. Sitting in such a central location, in between China, Russia, the EU and a collection of fragile majority Muslim nations, it is nearly impossible to guess what path it will take and how the surrounding nations will react. However, more likely than not, a united Turkic entity may choose to stay neutral, while embracing trade and energy pipeline deals with all parties.

As the USA continues to support PKK/YPG, Russia and China are welcoming Turkey with open arms. This can mean that the USA could find itself locked out of Central Asia, as not only will Russia and China oppose the American presence next door, but an entire coalition of Turkic states, with Turkey at the helm, will join in. As a union, the Turkic nations can say no to the US, but on their own, the USA could pressure one or more of them to give in to American demands. This could explain the US's silence in regards to the Turkic Council.

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Azerbaijani troops marching in Baku

The Turkic Council​

Founded in 2009, the Turkic Council is the brainchild of Nursultan Nazarbayev. Under the Nakhchivan Agreement, the following was declared as purposes and tasks of the Turkic Council:
  • Strengthening confidence and friendship among the Parties;
  • Developing common positions on foreign policy issues;
  • Coordinating actions to combat international terrorism, separatism, extremism and cross-border crimes;
  • Promoting effective regional and bilateral cooperation in all areas of common interest;
  • Creating favourable conditions for trade and investment;
  • Aiming for comprehensive and balanced economic growth, social and cultural development;
  • Expanding interaction in the fields of science, technology, education, health, culture, sports and tourism;
  • Encouraging interaction of mass media and other means of communication;
  • Promoting the exchange of relevant legal information and enhancing legal cooperation.

The organs of the Council include:
  • Council of Heads of State
  • Council of Foreign Ministers
  • Senior Officials Committee
  • Council of Elders (Aksakals)
  • The Secretariat
Years of meetings, amendments and deals have transformed the Turkic Council member states. Then a push towards a joint identity was launched, with both Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan agreeing to accelerate efforts to switch to the Latin Alphabet. More interestingly, a book on Turkic history was published for Turkish, Azerbaijani, Kazakh and Kyrgyz high school students. Now as the joint identity initiative is in full throttle, serious cooperation in trade, scientific research and even defence is now being initiated. There is, however, a missing part of the puzzle which must be addressed.

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Flag of the Turkic Council

Ever since its independence, Turkmenistan has decided to remain neutral. To this day it is still not part of the Turkic Council. However, recent meetings between Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan may indicate that things are on the cusp of changing. Talks between the two Caspian Sea states have yielded positive results, ending a long-standing maritime border disagreement. However, Turkmenistan's long isolation means that it will find integration into the Turkic Council difficult. Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow must be willing to make compromises.

After Hungary joined in 2018, Uzbekistan soon followed. Turkmenistan is next. As the Turkic Council continues to mature, some surprises may be in store. Ukraine has already expressed its interest to join as an observer state. Other possible observer states include Bulgaria, Russia, Moldova and any other nation with a sizeable Turkic population.

A new, unprecedented military superpower?​

On the 10th of December 2020, a message was sent to the world. The victory parade in Baku signalled the return of the Turks. This message was loud. The transfer of advanced weaponry to Azerbaijan was done almost secretly in comparison. A clue which suggests that something big may be brewing.

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By 2035 a fully interoperable joint-Turkic military may materialise. What could this look like? By then, a fully indigenous defence industry will be formed. Meaning that all arms will be self-supplied. Due to the frequent announcement of new projects, it is impossible to predict what weapons this force will have. The following products are either in service, ready for deliveries, or planned to enter service in the coming decade or two:

Fighter: TFX 5+ gen air-superiority fighter
Jet-powered high-speed drones: Goksungur, MIUS
MALE/tactical drones: TB2/TB2s, Anka/Anka-I/Anka-S, Aksungur/Aksungur ASW, Akinci, TB3
Attack helicopters: T-129 ATAK, T-629, ATAK 2 (heavy 10-12 ton)
Helicopters: T625 Gokbey, 10-ton utility helicopter
Missiles & munitions (not including air defence and rocket artillery): Atmaca anti-ship cruise missile, Gezgin long-range cruise missile, SOM/SOM-J stand-off missile, Cirit 2.75" laser-guided missile, MAM-C, MAM-L, Karaok man-portable ATGM, Bozdogan WVRAAM, Gokdogan BVRAAM, UMTAS long-range ATGM, L-UMTAS long-range laser-guided ATGM, OMTAS mid-range ATGM, TANOK 120mm laser-guided missile, Yatagan miniature missile, HGK-82/83/84 guidance kit, HGK-ER guidance kit, KGK-82/83 guidance kit, LGK - laser guidance kit, LHGK-84 laser and GPS/INS guidance kit, TEBER-81/82 laser guidance kit, NEB-84 bunker-buster, SARB-83 bunker-buster
Carriers & amphibious warfare ships: Anadolu-Class amphibious assault ship, Bayraktar-Class LST, Future aircraft carrier project
Corvettes: Ada-class anti-submarine corvette, Dearsan C92 multirole corvette, RMK Marine MMC Corvette (multi-mission corvette), RMK 1600 Corvette
Frigates: I-Class multirole frigate, TF-4500 anti-air frigate (TF-2000 was chosen instead for the Turkish navy)
Destroyers: TF-2000 anti-air destroyer
Unmanned Surface Combat Vessels: ULAQ fast attack, ULAQ EW/ISR, ULAQ anti-mine, ULAQ Anti-ship/anti-submarine
Fast attack & patrol: Dearsan 33m very fast patrol boat, 57m Tulza-class patrol boat, Dearsan OPV 76, Ares 85 Hercules multirole patrol, Ares 110 Hercules multirole patrol, Ares 150 Hercules OPV, Ares 125 FAMB FAC, STM FAC-55, FAC-42, RMK Marine Fast Attack Craft, MRTP 24 Fast attack craft, MRTP 34 Fast Patrol Attack craft
Air Defence: Korkut SPAAG CIWS, Sungur, Hisar A/A+, Hisar G/G+, Hisar O/O+, Siper long-range air defence system, Long-range high-altitude air defence system (unnamed)
MLRS and ballistic missiles: TRG-122, TRGL-230, TRG-300, Bora tactical ballistic missile, Medium range and intercontinental ballistic missiles
SPG: Firtina, Firtina 2
Tank: Altay MBT, Kaplan MMWT, Tulpar light tank
Tracked IFV: Tulpar, Kaplan 20 NG-AFV, Kaplan 30 NG-AFV
Wheeled IFV/APC: FNSS Pars 8x8, FNSS Pars 6x6, FNSS Pars 4x4, Otokar Arma 8x8, Otokar Arma 6x6
Tactical Armored Vehicles: Otokar Cobra, Otokar Cobra II, Otokar Ural, Katmerciler Hizir, Katmerciler Khan, Nurol Ejder Yalcin, Nurol NMS, Nurol Ilgaz II
MRAP: BMC Vuran, BMC Kirpi, BMC Amazon, Otokar Kaya
Recon: Otokar Akrep II, Otokar Pars 6x6 Scout
Anti-Tank vehicles: FNSS Kaplan 10 STA, FNSS Pars 4x4 STA
Marine Assault Vehicle: FNSS ZAHA, Otokar Tulpar S
Electronic Warfare: Koral, Redet II
Directed energy weapons: AKLA (DEWS), ARMOL laser weapon system, Aselsan YGLS, Aselsan LSS, TÜMOL rifle mounted laser weapon, LaADRONS
Electromagnetic railguns: Tufan, SAHI 209, Sapan



Turkey's military equipment is battle-proven and has been getting increasingly innovative as Turkish defence companies gain confidence. Conforming to NATO standards, the quality of Turkish defence products is high. Furthermore, a plethora of ambitious projects is set to raise the Turkish defence industry to new heights. When Turkey's population and economic power is supplemented with that of the rest of the Turkic World, it is clear that the potential here is prodigious.

Having never lost a battle since being established, with a highly trained, battle-hardened military, and now with the capability to produce advanced weapons, Turkey will lead the already martial Turkic nations in a union that is set to shake the world.
 

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As a sidenote I have been to Alma Aty in Kazakstan. The thing that struck me about Central Asians [other than Tajiks who are Persian people] is the Russian and Chinese influence. Most speak Russian. Chinese economic presence is very strong and growing.

Moscow continues to have huge political influence in region. There continues to be large percentage of ethnic Russians living in the country to tie it in with Moscow. Russian political and economic influence will have to kicked out for real progress to be made for Central Asia to be locked into the Turkish/Azerbaijani sphere.

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The changing ethnic map of Central Asia is reality. Russia is steadily losing ground in the middle of Asia while China is gaining the upper hand in this region. Turkey, too, is becoming more and more present in Central Asia. This all happens at the expense of Russian influence.

A New Wave Of Ethnic Russians Leaving Kazakhstan

https://www.rferl.org/a/qishloq-ovozi-kazakhstan-ethnic-russians-leaving/27541817.html

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Russia is dead.

Having said that, this thread and its content is ofc nothing but a pan-Turkic nonsense (just like any pan-movement in modern times). This is the internet and people (saving your presence) should know that the reality of Turkey is not made up with Western educated, well-read, multilingual, highly secular nationalists. Today not one single Turkic nation is willing to give up its sovereignty to unite with its neihgboring Turkic kinsfolk. Frankly, I'd rather live with 2 million of my Bosnian brothers than with 2 million Kazakhs. Very unfriendly and cold people.
 

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The changing ethnic map of Central Asia is reality. Russia is steadily losing ground in the middle of Asia while China is gaining the upper hand in this region. Turkey, too, is becoming more and more present in Central Asia. This all happens at the expense of Russian influence.

A New Wave Of Ethnic Russians Leaving Kazakhstan

https://www.rferl.org/a/qishloq-ovozi-kazakhstan-ethnic-russians-leaving/27541817.html

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Russia is dead.

Having said that, this thread and its content is ofc nothing but a pan-Turkic nonsense (just like any pan-movement in modern times). This is the internet and people (saving your presence) should know that the reality of Turkey is not made up with Western educated, well-read, multilingual, highly secular nationalists. Today not one single Turkic nation is willing to give up its sovereignty to unite with its neihgboring Turkic kinsfolk. Frankly, I'd rather live with 2 million of my Bosnian brothers than with 2 million Kazakhs. Very unfriendly and cold people.

I would like to show you more real and I think accurate information then above statistics which you used as reference (they may be Ok but don't have enough wight about reality ).

Let me give you some things which still have enough wight on People in that Country which were forced to the point that they colapsed
So History was following:

Back in 1900 Russian had a plan to occupy neighbor countries by Force or by Communism to take and own that Country and result is that Russian succeed.
Russians had a planed model of how to assimilate citizens of occupied countries to become a Russian loving Zombies or they have to die if they not obey, result is that Russian succeed again.

When country is taken by force then following things happened
-Kill all intellectual citizens so called elite of the people which lead the county ( writers, poets, musicians , businessmen, craftsmen, big land owners, economists, big engineers etc )
-Take all land from owners forcing them to write a law document for transfer of own land to the county for free. If they not agree the to be killed and not only the owner but his family to
- Release prisoners and put some of them on administration places to control people, brutal way is the best way.
- Take all resources of the Country I mean which can be moved then to be transferred to Russia

Start program for Assimilation
-Change language to Cyrillic
- Add to all Family names a Suffix "OV" - like -> MehmedOV, FerhadOV, IsmailOV etc.
- Close all mosques and kill or put on prison Imams.
- Any cultural habits are forbidden
- Remove old history, Create new one with new Commy books, new Commy teachers, new Commy history representing Russia as brother and savior
-Destroy cultural monuments and put much more monuments especially BIG ones representing Russia, Russian generals, politicians as a face of the monuments
-Change if possible NAMEs of citizens from example Mehmed to Mihail
-Converter people to Russian religion like Rusian type Christianizam
- Force people to learn Russian, forbid other foreigner languages
- Blocked media only own and Russian media is allowed.
-Full propaganda mode on each level
-Forbid Muslims to study high level schools , it is not allowed for them to leave own town, it is not allowed for them to be on HIGH ranking position places in the Country unless he is controlled Zomie


All above is h happened in the same way to all Countries which were taken by force from Russians and people which STILL live especially old ones Like Mother Fathers etc. They are biased and by Russian back then and now they can't be changed. They kids now have the opportunity to Change but it is hard because Russian still have force weight in that countries .
Other thing is that people were so much force to be zombies that new generation did not have a chance to learn and know that they are Turks :(. New Kazaks generation which at moment are Fathers were teached that they are Russians and Turks are the enemy.


All above happened and those people mind was twisted by force from Russians.
May point is that Kazaks and other Turk countries NEED HELP. They are unfriendly because they become Savagers like their Master Russia back them and it is represent current situation partially

All above happened in Bulgaria too and I fill it on may back too.

So I can say that back then it was Hell
 

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Kazakhs. Very unfriendly and cold people.
Ahh so you have been exposed to them. I don't think they are bad people. It's just cultural thing possibly Russian influence. Quite opposite of Pakistani people who will open arms and hospitality or "mehmanawzi" is vital part of the social life of the people.
 

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There is no ''pan-'' possibility for anything.
We can talk about the strategic alliances though.

If you ask me, here is my opinion:
we have already started with Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan.

In time we will add Bangladesh, Indonesia and possibly some Turkic countries.

We will see if Hungary and possibly some other countries join. Malaysia for example looks hopeful.

I dont count countries like Libya in which everything can change with a coup.

Edit: Never mind Malaysia, it seems they are at odds with Indonesia over some territorial dispute XD
 
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There is no ''pan-'' possibility for anything.
We can talk about the strategic alliances though.

If you ask me, here is my opinion:
we have already started with Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan.

In time we will add Bangladesh, Indonesia and possibly some Turkic countries.

We will see if Hungary and possibly some other countries join. Malaysia for example looks hopeful.

I dont count countries like Libya in which everything can change with a coup.

Edit: Never mind Malaysia, it seems they are at odds with Indonesia over some territorial dispute XD

Within 20 years Turkey will reach a population of over 100 million and if Turkish military developments continue at the pace they are now its safe to presume we will be a first rate power, with only continent sized nations like the USA/China able to directly challenge us.

Lets not forget that when Turkey was founded just under a hundred years ago her population was about 10 million while Russias was over 100 million, germany, uk, france had populations between 40 and 50 million.

Once you reach that sort of power nations will start moving towards us instead of us needing to move towards them. Power is sexy, even euro nations who used to part of the Ottoman empire will look to deepen connections with Turkey.
 

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Within 20 years Turkey will reach a population of over 100 million and if Turkish military developments continue at the pace they are now its safe to presume we will be a first rate power, with only continent sized nations like the USA/China able to directly challenge us.

Lets not forget that when Turkey was founded just under a hundred years ago her population was about 10 million while Russias was over 100 million, germany, uk, france had populations between 40 and 50 million.

Once you reach that sort of power nations will start moving towards us instead of us needing to move towards them. Power is sexy, even euro nations who used to part of the Ottoman empire will look to deepen connections with Turkey.
This can only be wishful thinking with the current education system and level.
 

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This can only be wishful thinking with the current education system and level.

What is wishful thinking? That Turkeys population hits a hundred million or that Turkish military developments continue to advance? I'm not saying that Turkey will become Japan economically and technologically, but it doesn't need to in order to justify becoming a powerful state.

Even as it is today, no euro nation on her own can invade Turkey.
 

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This can only be wishful thinking with the current education system and level.
Governments come and go. But Turkey's trajectory is set in stone. A rising population, militaristic culture and sitting on strategically important land with failed states surrounding it.

The biggest threat to Turkey was rising radical Islamism, and I can tell you that much of the youth are turned off by it more than ever before.
 

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My reply was with referance to religion which a poster mentioned [Judeo-Christian civilization] and also touched genetics. The previous post already built up on what I said so it requires no more elaboration on my part.

To place Kazaks, Hungarians in the same genetic cluster needs prescription spectacles. No offence intended.

Judaeo-Christian is a recent term to be honest its just Jews trying to tell Westerners, Europeans and Christians we are part of your civilisation.

In Al Andalus you had terms like Judaeo-Islamic the Jews trying to tell Arabs and the Muslims we come from the same roots.
 

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Judaeo-Christian is a recent term to be honest its just Jews trying to tell Westerners, Europeans and Christians we are part of your civilisation.

In Al Andalus you had terms like Judaeo-Islamic the Jews trying to tell Arabs and the Muslims we come from the same roots.
Yes, very true. I first came across it probably late 1990s and I have been avid reader since at least late 1970s. I think it was first coined in America and then has been adopted in rest of the West.
 

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Yes, very true. I first came across it probably late 1990s and I have been avid reader since at least late 1970s. I think it was first coined in America and then has been adopted in rest of the West.

Didnt the Islamic World contribute to the West???

Its a bit ironic how Muslims are left out even the Chinese contributed I dont see Sino-Western civilisation being coined.

Jews were coining it so they can be part of the West.
 

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Didnt the Islamic World contribute to the West???
Most of you guys on the younger side but I grew up during the Cold War. The amazing thing was then Muslims were generally speaking looked on in positive light. I was young teenager in late 1970s early 1980s. Other than few die hard catholic types I never faced the issues you see today that termed as Islamaphobia.

But then thing began to change in 1990s. But 2001 was the dawn of a new age. May that Bin Laden suffer in hell. The amount of deaths, grief and suffering he brought on Muslims and particularly Pakistan is just sickening.
 

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Most of you guys on the younger side but I grew up during the Cold War. The amazing thing was then Muslims were generally speaking looked on in positive light. I was young teenager in late 1970s early 1980s. Other than few die hard catholic types I never faced the issues you see today that termed as Islamaphobia.

But then thing began to change in 1990s. But 2001 was the dawn of a new age. May that Bin Laden suffer in hell. The amount of deaths, grief and suffering he brought on Muslims and particularly Pakistan is just sickening.

I was born in 1993 just after the Cold War ended by 2 years. Yeah I was really young when 911 happened. Honestly that event shocked me I even shed tears to be honest. But I never knew it would be this consequential for Muslims as it unraveled.

Unfortunately you have some "Muslims" who praise bin laden as some sort of hero who took on a Superpower.

Amin May He burn in hell for the crimes he commited against both Muslims and Non Muslims his actions led to the War on terror which led to sanctions, embargoes also invasions along with interventions. Not to say the USA is innocent but Bin Laden gave the justification for the USA to intervene and invade in the Islamic World. Now we see the consequences.

May he burn in hell and he was nothing more than a blood thirsty terrorist.

Al qaeda, boko haram and isis dont care about Muslims and their affairs because to them we are nothing more than kafirs according to them due to their takfir. When they make takfir theu go around butchering Muslims I mean not even Non Muslims are spared.

Lets call them out for what they are khawarij bastards that are used by countries as proxies to wreck havoc and chaos.
 
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For those who are interested I advise you to watch Zeitgeist. Start from 40:28 though. First part is about proving Christianity is wrong. The second part is about 9 11:

After watching this I can tell suggesting the opposite would be the real conspiracy theory at this point.
 

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Not possible to form any type of union unless goverment of Central Asian states can be abolished of dicatorships.
 
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What is wishful thinking? That Turkeys population hits a hundred million or that Turkish military developments continue to advance? I'm not saying that Turkey will become Japan economically and technologically, but it doesn't need to in order to justify becoming a powerful state.

Even as it is today, no euro nation on her own can invade Turkey.

If I may interject, why does it appear that some people think 100 million people is a big number?

Countries such as China or India have in excess of 1.3 billion people each, more than any continent outside Asia.

The United States has in excess of 320 million people and counting the entire Western world as its allies/poodles/whatever else you may call them, they have close to 1 billion people firmly on their side, too, irrespective of whatever crimes they may commit.

In the face of such established or emerging powers, why would any country with merely a 100 million people stand out if not for some revolutionary technology or equivalent of the earlier Industrial Revolution kickstarted somewhere in Europe?

No Western European nation has an airforce with a larger inventory of fighter aircraft than tiny "Israel"/Zionist entity, either. It is not a sign of the immense military might of tiny "Israel" or Zionist entity. Rather, it is a sign that European nations have given up military pursuits, which is not a wise strategy from a geopolitical perspective but it is good for many third world would-be victims of European imperialism.

Big/populous countries that have not given up military pursuits such as the United States, Russian Federation, China or India easily outstrip Turkish military capabilities today and in all likelihoods, will continue to do so far into the future.

One could say the same for Iran, too. There is no European nation that can invade Iran today. But that is again due to the fact that European nations have given up on military pursuits. Populous countries that have not given up on such pursuits are treated with a different degree of respect in reality by the Iranian regime despite all the bluster in public.

A fine example is the Iranian reaction after a drone strike killed their most prominent military commander Qasem Solemani. The reaction is noted for its nonobservable impact. The Iranian regime and their media continue to insist at least 80 American soldiers were killed.


80 US troops killed in IRGC missile attacks

Wednesday, 08 January 2020 09:34 [ Last Update: Tuesday, 04 February 2020 14:04 ]

An informed source in Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) has said the missiles fired at the US airbase in Ain al-Assad in Iraq has left 80 US troops dead.​

Iran Press/Iran news: The military source said that the missiles hit vital points of the US airbase, heavily damaging drones, helicopters and other expensive military equipment, inflicting a significant loss on the US Army.
Meanwhile, other informed sources said that the exact number of US casualties is not accurate and the details will be announced later. No official US source has indicated any casualty figures as a result of Iran's missile strike.


We note that the Iranian regime has taken no military action against the UK or the Russian Federation for past defeats in wars against the UK or Russia.

We note that the Iranian regime harbours no ill will against Mongolia for Mongol occupation, subjugation and rule of Iran, either.

Somehow this ill-will or enmity exists against Sunni Muslims of the neighbouring region. When it comes to India, a much more populous but also much poorer, backward, crime infested, dirty, corrupt, incompetent hodgepodge of a country that has not given up on military pursuits, the Iranian regime extends its hand of friendship very frequently.

It seems quite clear that when faced with established military powers or superpowers, if you like, such as Russia (successor state of the USSR) or the USA, as well as populous countries that have not given up military pursuits such as China or India, the Iranian regime harbours no ill will or grudge against them, and has no ambitions of encroaching into their "spheres of influence".

Why does it appear that Turkish destiny, with a tiny/moderate population of around 80 million will be too different?

So far, since the assumption of power in 2003 by President/former PM Erdogan, the Republic of Turkey has not engaged in a military conflict with any non-Muslim countries anywhere in the world.

All its military activities have been limited to the territories of Muslim majority states that have already been destroyed/bombed out by the USA and/or other non Muslim countries.

One might wonder if these are mere coincidence or there is some undeniable pattern to these activities. If the Turkish defence industry is as independent as claimed by proponents of the current government, why are they so reluctant to go the nuclear route?

Another interesting observation is that in no time in the past did any country in the wider Middle East-North Africa-Central Asia corridor ever cease development of swords, knives, sabres, shields, bows, arrows, spears, trebuchets, guns or artillery because the Mongols, the British Empire, the French Empire, the Crusaders or any other rivals/enemies would impose sanctions or embargo.

Such a thought would be seen as preposterous in those days by most people and rightly so.

Why is it that the leaders of such independent countries and powerful, industrialized, high tech, highly savvy, intelligent, efficient, effective, far sighted, talented, technologically powerful and scientifically advanced countries such as Iran, Indonesia or Turkey avoid developing nuclear warheads and inter continental ballistic missiles?

India - while still much poorer than the India of 2021 - conducted their first nuclear tests in 1974 and there was hardly any international outcry, threats, embargo or sanction to deter such activities.

Their space programme, primarily developed to advanced their ballistic missile programme, also never attracted much criticism or sanctions from the Western world or other countries.

Back in 1974, when Indian economic reforms post-1990 had not been initiated yet, there was no lure of a supposedly massive Indian market for Western multinational corporations that could be used as an excuse for Western hypocrisy on this matter to this day.

Why is it that such countries as Indonesia, Iran, Turkey and the wider Muslim world has failed to develop inter continental ballistic missiles and thermonuclear warheads to this day?

Pakistan has yet to develop an ICBM to this day and that explains why it, shamefully, allowed NATO access to Afghanistan through its territory for an invasion that has had enormous repercussions on both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Although Pakistan has developed nuclear warheads, the ability to deliver them across intercontinental distances eludes it to this day. Pakistan is probably the only country with nuclear warheads that lacks this capability.

Japan is a fine example.

A highly organized, disciplined, technologically advanced country that has more than 120 million people and it is one of the most homogeneous countries in the world.

More than 75 years after its defeat, it remains occupied by the same country that dropped nuclear weapons on its territory more than once.

Germany or Italy have not been able to free themselves from occupation either in the same number of years.

Together, the populations of those three countries exceeds the population of Indonesia, perhaps. With a population of more than 270 million people, the three highly developed countries of Japan, Germany and Italy remain occupied to this day and unable to pursue independent policies (no nuclear weapons and no ICBMs, for example).

Why is it that Turkish, Iranian, Arab, Kurdish, Berber or any other peoples from the wider Middle East-North Africa-Central Asia corridor believe they would fare better than the combined efforts of Japan, Germany and Italy when there is no evidence whatsoever in favour of such an idea?

 
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If I may interject, why does it appear that some people think 100 million people is a big number?

Countries such as China or India have in excess of 1.3 billion people each, more than any continent outside Asia.

The United States has in excess of 320 million people and counting the entire Western world as its allies/poodles/whatever else you may call them, they have close to 1 billion people firmly on their side, too, irrespective of whatever crimes they may commit.

In the face of such established or emerging powers, why would any country with merely a 100 million people stand out if not for some revolutionary technology or equivalent of the earlier Industrial Revolution kickstarted somewhere in Europe?

No Western European nation has an airforce with a larger inventory of fighter aircraft than tiny "Israel"/Zionist entity, either. It is not a sign of the immense military might of tiny "Israel" or Zionist entity. Rather, it is a sign that European nations have given up military pursuits, which is not a wise strategy from a geopolitical perspective but it is good for many third world would-be victims of European imperialism.

Big/populous countries that have not given up military pursuits such as the United States, Russian Federation, China or India easily outstrip Turkish military capabilities today and in all likelihoods, will continue to do so far into the future.

One could say the same for Iran, too. There is no European nation that can invade Iran today. But that is again due to the fact that European nations have given up on military pursuits. Populous countries that have not given up on such pursuits are treated with a different degree of respect in reality by the Iranian regime despite all the bluster in public.

A fine example is the Iranian reaction after a drone strike killed their most prominent military commander Qasem Solemani. The reaction is noted for its nonobservable impact. The Iranian regime and their media continue to insist at least 80 American soldiers were killed.





We note that the Iranian regime has taken no military action against the UK or the Russian Federation for past defeats in wars against the UK or Russia.

We note that the Iranian regime harbours no ill will against Mongolia for Mongol occupation, subjugation and rule of Iran, either.

Somehow this ill-will or enmity exists against Sunni Muslims of the neighbouring region. When it comes to India, a much more populous but also much poorer, backward, crime infested, dirty, corrupt, incompetent hodgepodge of a country that has not given up on military pursuits, the Iranian regime extends its hand of friendship very frequently.

It seems quite clear that when faced with established military powers or superpowers, if you like, such as Russia (successor state of the USSR) or the USA, as well as populous countries that have not given up military pursuits such as China or India, the Iranian regime harbours no ill will or grudge against them, and has no ambitions of encroaching into their "spheres of influence".

Why does it appear that Turkish destiny, with a tiny/moderate population of around 80 million will be too different?

So far, since the assumption of power in 2003 by President/former PM Erdogan, the Republic of Turkey has not engaged in a military conflict with any non-Muslim countries anywhere in the world.

All its military activities have been limited to the territories of Muslim majority states that have already been destroyed/bombed out by the USA and/or other non Muslim countries.

One might wonder if these are mere coincidence or there is some undeniable pattern to these activities. If the Turkish defence industry is as independent as claimed by proponents of the current government, why are they so reluctant to go the nuclear route?

Another interesting observation is that in no time in the past did any country in the wider Middle East-North Africa-Central Asia corridor ever cease development of swords, knives, sabres, shields, bows, arrows, spears, trebuchets, guns or artillery because the Mongols, the British Empire, the French Empire, the Crusaders or any other rivals/enemies would impose sanctions or embargo.

Such a thought would be seen as preposterous in those days by most people and rightly so.

Why is it that the leaders of such independent countries and powerful, industrialized, high tech, highly savvy, intelligent, efficient, effective, far sighted, talented, technologically powerful and scientifically advanced countries such as Iran, Indonesia or Turkey avoid developing nuclear warheads and inter continental ballistic missiles?

India - while still much poorer than the India of 2021 - conducted their first nuclear tests in 1974 and there was hardly any international outcry, threats, embargo or sanction to deter such activities.

Their space programme, primarily developed to advanced their ballistic missile programme, also never attracted much criticism or sanctions from the Western world or other countries.

Back in 1974, when Indian economic reforms post-1990 had not been initiated yet, there was no lure of a supposedly massive Indian market for Western multinational corporations that could be used as an excuse for Western hypocrisy on this matter to this day.

Why is it that such countries as Indonesia, Iran, Turkey and the wider Muslim world has failed to develop inter continental ballistic missiles and thermonuclear warheads to this day?

Pakistan has yet to develop an ICBM to this day and that explains why it, shamefully, allowed NATO access to Afghanistan through its territory for an invasion that has had enormous repercussions on both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Although Pakistan has developed nuclear warheads, the ability to deliver them across intercontinental distances eludes it to this day. Pakistan is probably the only country with nuclear warheads that lacks this capability.

Japan is a fine example.

A highly organized, disciplined, technologically advanced country that has more than 120 million people and it is one of the most homogeneous countries in the world.

More than 75 years after its defeat, it remains occupied by the same country that dropped nuclear weapons on its territory more than once.

Germany or Italy have not been able to free themselves from occupation either in the same number of years.

Together, the populations of those three countries exceeds the population of Indonesia, perhaps. With a population of more than 270 million people, the three highly developed countries of Japan, Germany and Italy remain occupied to this day and unable to pursue independent policies (no nuclear weapons and no ICBMs, for example).

Why is it that Turkish, Iranian, Arab, Kurdish, Berber or any other peoples from the wider Middle East-North Africa-Central Asia corridor believe they would fare better than the combined efforts of Japan, Germany and Italy when there is no evidence whatsoever in favour of such an idea?

Too much to read, don't have time for it.

India and China under perform massively for their population. If Turkey had a population of a billion they would have long taken over the world. When Turkey increases by just 10 million people it has the same effect as china increasing by 200 million.

When Turkey was about 10 million they were able to stop being conquered by a coalition of euro states. When Turkey moved on cyprus and defeated the greeks they were 28 million.

A hundred million strong Turkey with another 10 years of military development will make her untouchable except for America.
 
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Too much to read, don't have time for it.

India and China under perform massively for their population. If Turkey had a population of a billion they would have long taken over the world. When Turkey increases by just 10 million people it has the same effect as china increasing by 200 million.

When Turkey was about 10 million they were able to stop being conquered by a coalition of euro states. When Turkey moved on cyprus and defeated the greeks they were 28 million.

A hundred million strong Turkey with another 10 years of military development will make her untouchable except for America.

You should take your time and read it, when you have some time to spare.

Turkey massively underperform too.

Its next door neighbour in Syria was ravaged by the actions of an evil dictator and the interventions from a lot of non Muslim and Muslim countries.

Turkish President Erdogan even proclaimed he would be praying at the Umayyad Mosque at Damascus many years ago in 2012.

In 2021, Turkey is burdened with many millions of Syrian refugees, with President Erdogan using them as a bargaining chip with EU members indicating that their lives or dignity do not matter much to a supposed Muslim leader and a supposed neo-Ottoman aspirant.

Russian fighter jets bombed and killed more than 30 Turkish troops openly and Turkish response since then, has been deafeningly silent.

There are lots (more than 50) countries that outperform Turkey in military might per capita if we were to construct such an index. By no means is Turkey an outstanding military, scientific, industrial or technological power per capita. Neither is Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, India or China.

However, their 1.3+ billion populations mean that at very low levels of performance, countries like China or India remain nuclear powers with tested ICBMs in their inventory. That is a feat that neither Iran, nor Indonesia, nor Turkey nor Egypt has been able to achieve yet.
 

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