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The agile #SUNGUR of the battlefields!

The test firing of SUNGUR, the effective power of our air defense with its asymmetric warfare capability, was successfully carried out and hit its target with full accuracy!

Sungur and Levent missiles are the two very important components of our short range point defence missile systems.
Sungur, as well as being man portable, also is pedestal mounted on armoured vehicles for short range point defence.
It has a Dual thrust (booster+sustainer) solid rocket engine that propels it to above 2.2 Mach. With an IIR seeker, it is a very precise and effective defence weapon. It is a 70mm diameter 147cm long missile and does not rotate around its axis like stinger. At its given 8km range and 4km operational altitude it is much deadlier than the Stinger missile it is replacing thanks to it’s high end seeker
Levent missile is a larger version of the Sungur missile with a 128mm diameter. Also as can be seen from the below picture it is much longer than the Sungur. All this points to a much higher operational altitude and more than the 11+km expected range quoted by Roketsan.
There seems to be a cloud of secrecy about the development of this new missile. But if and when it becomes operational it will definitely be a game changer weapon.
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Both missiles are very much capable to be effective from Sea, Ground and Air platforms. This would make them extremely versatile weapons.

Personally I can’t wait to see the tests of Levent missile from land and especially sea platforms as a replacement of our US/German built RAM point defence systems.

Roketsan Chief Mr İkinci had promised to put Levent system on the table within 3 years, nearly 2.5 years ago. So now, it is only normal for us to expect it before the end of this year.

 
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Sungur missile and Levent missiles are the two very important components of our short range point defence missile systems.
Sungur, as well as being man portable, also is pedestal mounted on armoured vehicles for short range point defence.
It has a Dual thrust (booster+sustainer) solid rocket engine that propels it to above 2.2 Mach. With an IIR seeker, it is a very precise and effective defence weapon. It is a 70mm diameter 147cm long missile and does not rotate around its axis like stinger. At its given 8km range and 4km operational altitude it is much deadlier than the Stinger missile it is replacing thanks to it’s high end seeker
Levent missile is a larger version of the Sungur missile with a 128mm diameter. Also as can be seen from the below picture it is much longer than the Sungur. All this points to a much higher operational altitude and more than the 11+km expected range quoted by Roketsan.
There seems to be a cloud of secrecy about the development of this new missile. But if and when it becomes operational it will definitely be a game changer weapon.
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Both missiles are very much capable to be effective from Sea, Ground and Air platforms. This would make them extremely versatile weapons.

Personally I can’t wait to see the tests of Levent missile from land and especially sea platforms as a replacement of our US/German built RAM point defence systems.

Roketsan Chief Mr İkinci had promised to put Levent system on the table within 3 years, nearly 2.5 years ago. So it is only normal for us to expect it before the end of this year.

These two missiles will be incredible assets for our manned systems, whether UGVs, USVS or even UAVs. We can create unmanned point defence systems to accompany our forces with ease.
 

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SUNGUR missile is very important as it is MANPADS but i can't understand why to be created new design Levent line of sight missiles ?
The dimensions of Levent are almost as same as Bozdoğan on the other hand Levent is not as compact as RIM-116.

And both Levent and rim-116 can't be preprogrammed before launch however Bozdoğans flight path could be preseted before launch. Also current first block Bozdoğan without datalink should cost very reasonable rather than Levent.

This microwave seekers of Levent are vital? İ doubt. I would prefer GÖKSUR launcher with current Bozdoğan B1 rather than Levent .
If microwave seekers are vital,then they could add MW seekers to Bozdoğan.


I also find SUNGUR useless for navy.

35mm Göker with Göksur launcher is the best naval point defense systems.

How could you destroy TB-2 UAVs flying at 7000m altitude from Levent or Sungur? Or little Quadrocopters?
Against TB-2 and cruise missiles you need Bozdoğan loaded Göksur launcher at 4 corner .
Against swarm attack of Quadrocopters you would also need auto cannon with smart ammunition.

İf Canik upgrades VENOM LR with 30x113 smart ammunition, the light and compact gun will be popular in navy. Remember that Venom LR has 1500 round rate of fire and imagine as if every shot were programmed.
 
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In how many seconds would that catridge need to be refilled?
No idea , but Phalanx doesn't burst all ammunition on to the one target. İts storage for 10 interception.

İf your ship had 4x this light CIWS, you would have enough ammunition to encounter several attacks. Why not put four modular light CIWS ? Several guns could shoot cross fire which would give you more hit.


With AESA and new sensors, This must be more sensitive than Phalanx. Modular, light, compact and autonomous.
 

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In how many seconds would that catridge need to be refilled?

Suppose it fires a 100 round burst at each target. If it carries 800 rounds then it will be able to intercept 8 targets. This would make each of these equivalent to 2x Hisar-A/O 4x4 TELs (in the munition defence role)

If it only carries 400 rounds then it would be able to intercept 8 targets by firing 50 round bursts at each target.
 
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No idea , but Phalanx doesn't burst all ammunition on to the one target. İts storage for 10 interception.

İf your ship had 4x this light CIWS, you would have enough ammunition to encounter several attacks. Why not put four modular light CIWS ? Several guns could shoot cross fire which would give you more hit.


With AESA and new sensors, This must be more sensitive than Phalanx. Modular, light, compact and autonomous.

Suppose it fires a 100 round burst at each target. If it carries 800 rounds then it will be able to intercept 8 targets. This would make each of these equivalent to 2x Hisar-A/O 4x4 TELs (in the munition defence role)

If it only carries 400 rounds then it would be able to intercept 8 targets by firing 50 round bursts at each target.
It depends on target. If you need to fire 150 rounds to hit the target. You will fire 150 rounds.
 

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BTW what are they going to hunt from 20mm Gatling gun that fires one piece sabot?

İt would be useful just against low flying objects like helicopters, SU-25,A-10 warthog. You couldn't engage TB2 as flies Higher than 20mm cals range .

Quadrocopters and tiny UAVs could be intercepted from airburst ammunitions.

İn Ukraine they use shotguns .

İf 20mm could be programmed or time fused would be great. At least 10 pieces tungsten, kinda shotgun.
 

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BTW what are they going to hunt from 20mm Gatling gun that fires one piece sabot?

İt would be useful just against low flying objects like helicopters, SU-25,A-10 warthog. You couldn't engage TB2 as flies Higher than 20mm cals range .

Quadrocopters and tiny UAVs could be intercepted from airburst ammunitions.

İn Ukraine they use shotguns .

İf 20mm could be programmed or time fused would be great. At least 10 pieces tungsten, kinda shotgun.
This is for low and slow flying targets, mostly drones as the name suggests. And as far as I know, smallest airburst round is 25 mm, 20 mm ones I know are grenades with low range. 20 mm airburst would be great, otherwise this thing would eat through ammo trying to hunt small FPV drones.
 

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I'd rather have a 30x113 with proximity fuse if you ask me, 20 mm chomps through your ammo supply when it comes to hitting small UAVs
İf aims are just UAVs, yes you are right, single barrel 30mm cal VENOM with proximity fuse would be more effective rather than 20mm Gatling gun with very limited ammo storage.

Even 40mm ATOM will be more useful.

Damn what if they created ATOM 30mm cal with time fuse.
 

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