To have spare missiles for the RAMs we already have on our 4 corvettes. How many times are you going to ask the same question?AMK why are we about to buy 100 rim-116??
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To have spare missiles for the RAMs we already have on our 4 corvettes. How many times are you going to ask the same question?AMK why are we about to buy 100 rim-116??
Not even spare...we just have launcher for last two Ada's.But not missilesTo have spare missiles for the RAMs we already have on our 4 corvettes. How many times are you going to ask the same question?
I will try to explain despite your rude approach.To have spare missiles for the RAMs we already have on our 4 corvettes. How many times are you going to ask the same question?
Apologies, but this was indeed third time.I will try to explain despite your rude approach.
I asked the same question because after that they had revealed the second RAM alternative.
As Everyday they show us tests of new point defense systems , we started thinking Turkish defense industry could cover the gap in very short time.
Regarding the empty launchers of two corvettes, we haven't heard about it.
Anyway what is the shelf live of RIM-116 missiles? If lifespan doesn't exceed, why will we double the inventory? Are we facing extraordinary situation ?
Because they are not ready? Because they are clearly early into their testing phase? Because even after testing is done it'll be a few years before the numbers necessary can be produced? Because @Sanchez is right and we have ships that need these missiles? Because we are probably going to put our PDS on new ships first instead of replacing the old ones and don't want to leave those ships short on missiles?AMK why are we about to buy 100 rim-116??
Levent göksur are flying around.
BTW which warship will have which point defense system? I mean göksur and Levent.
I don't expect Levent will have datalink as its range short.
The Levent launcher could be run with SMART-S radar?if yes ADA Class welcomes you
For göksur-iir i am 100% sure it can be integrated with the bozdoğan production line. However for levent they need to establish whole new one, since it doesn't either fit to sungur or hisar.Because they are not ready? Because they are clearly early into their testing phase? Because even after testing is done it'll be a few years before the numbers necessary can be produced? Because @Sanchez is right and we have ships that need these missiles? Because we are probably going to put our PDS on new ships first instead of replacing the old ones and don't want to leave those ships short on missiles?
There was sidewinder ATGM. What would you say Bozdoğan or LEVENT missile with heavy warhead for surface targets?An autonomous scalable launcher that can either handle 12 Goksur-IIR, 18 Levent or 32 Sungur would be an interesting platform (or scale them accordingly).
That would be great both for our ships and USVs, one launcher to launch them all together on the seven seasRegardless of who is winning i would like them to integrate each other's missile into the launcher. An autonomous scalable launcher that can either handle 12 Goksur-IIR, 18 Levent or 32 Sungur would be an interesting platform (or scale them accordingly).
To integrate sungur on a naval platform for sea skimming targets they will need to handle sea surface clutter and sun reflections, so i believe the same missile can be configured for ASuW. Even sungur/cirit might be useful against kamikaze boats.There was sidewinder ATGM. What would you say Bozdoğan or LEVENT missile with heavy warhead for surface targets?
One naval launcher would have SAM and ATGM against flying threats as well as unmanned surface vessels.
Sun clutter still an issue with IIR?To integrate sungur on a naval platform for sea skimming targets they will need to handle sea surface clutter and sun reflections, so i believe the same missile can be configured for ASuW. Even sungur/cirit might be useful against kamikaze boats.
I remember reading a document on RIM-116 and it was mainly about the effect of the sun and clutter due to the free surface. The seeker was then an IR but for IIR i would expect a similar effect.Sun clutter still an issue with IIR?
Tuzlas are our most specialized littoral ASW ships. While they don't have much space left for anything else, I do think they need a point defence AD for Aegean. They are however also on the cheaper end and a Levent system may be 60-70% of the cost of the ship.Can we use LEVENT system on Tuzla class?
While they don't have much space left for anything else,
I doubt if the shown deck can support Levent or Göksur Launcher (as is), it will need a rework and strengthening. But looking at the current design it can support Yalman RCWS with 2 x Quad Sungur Launched we have seen earlier on Burç;. They are however also on the cheaper end and a Levent system may be 60-70% of the cost of the ship.
@Anmdt , could this section be retrofitted with a Levent like launcher?
I hadn't seen that upgunned design before. I think keeping the aft with the depth charges and the ASW rockets keeps that side tidy. I agree that Levent or a system like that would be a tad heavy and would require extensive modification to the ship, like changing locations. Wish they had gone forward with a system like the earlier Bora PDMS. Sungur is a much more potent missile than the Stinger, it could give the boost DzKK wanted for smaller ships and boats. Simbad RC also sells nicely. Of course it's not the complete solution Levent is, but would be nice.View attachment 71160
I think they have some room left for additional light weapons. If my memory is correct, I recall a quote from an engineer who worked on the project claiming that they had done another iteration on the structural design and saved a significant amount of weight, thus allowing for more payload.
I doubt if the shown deck can support Levent or Göksur Launcher (as is), it will need a rework and strengthening. But looking at the current design it can support Yalman RCWS with 2 x Quad Sungur Launched we have seen earlier on Burç;
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And possibly 2 x twin launchers from Levent or Göksur can be integrated to Yalman.
To integrate the Levent system as a whole, we need to move the ASW launchers to the front, and allocate the place for the Levent launcher, as it is the only place (after 40 mm mount deck) that can support a heavy system.
In my opinion, 8 Sungur or 4 Levent is still a decent air defense missile for a littoral ship, if possible with an additional upgrade with MAR-D and CENK-100N and Kangal-N system, and if possible with the addition of Şahin anti-UAV gun.
Bro, if a ship has gökdeniz, isn’t putting on that ship a longer range sam, more logical?View attachment 71230
Once had this idea to apply SUNGUR on small warships/USVs, open to new ideas
Not necessarily. Both Sungur and Gökdeniz are point defense systems, but their optimization points don’t overlap. Having both on a platform enhances protection, bringing it to a more complete level.Bro, if a ship has gökdeniz, isn’t putting on that ship a longer range sam, more logical?
gökdeniz (ciws) and Hisar-o (mid range)