TR Air Defence Programs

[Sanchez]

Can we use LEVENT system on Tuzla class?

Tuzlas are our most specialized littoral ASW ships. While they don't have much space left for anything else, I do think they need a point defence AD for Aegean. They are however also on the cheaper end and a Levent system may be 60-70% of the cost of the ship.

@Anmdt , could this section be retrofitted with a Levent like launcher?

 

[Anmdt]

While they don't have much space left for anything else,

I think they have some room left for additional light weapons. If my memory is correct, I recall a quote from an engineer who worked on the project claiming that they had done another iteration on the structural design and saved a significant amount of weight, thus allowing for more payload.

. They are however also on the cheaper end and a Levent system may be 60-70% of the cost of the ship.

@Anmdt , could this section be retrofitted with a Levent like launcher?

I doubt if the shown deck can support Levent or Göksur Launcher (as is), it will need a rework and strengthening. But looking at the current design it can support Yalman RCWS with 2 x Quad Sungur Launched we have seen earlier on Burç;

And possibly 2 x twin launchers from Levent or Göksur can be integrated to Yalman.

To integrate the Levent system as a whole, we need to move the ASW launchers to the front, and allocate the place for the Levent launcher, as it is the only place (after 40 mm mount deck) that can support a heavy system.

In my opinion, 8 Sungur or 4 Levent is still a decent air defense missile for a littoral ship, if possible with an additional upgrade with MAR-D and CENK-100N and Kangal-N system, and if possible with the addition of Şahin anti-UAV gun.

 

[UkroTurk]

10X missile rotating launcher wouldn't fit and would be more complicated.
If they create new compact VLS for Bozdoğan missiles it would be great for all other ship. In such Compact VLS UMTAS could be deployed.


Currently I think SUNGUR is enough for Tuzla Class on the other hand AESA sensor capacity is more important.

 

[Sanchez]

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I think they have some room left for additional light weapons. If my memory is correct, I recall a quote from an engineer who worked on the project claiming that they had done another iteration on the structural design and saved a significant amount of weight, thus allowing for more payload.

I doubt if the shown deck can support Levent or Göksur Launcher (as is), it will need a rework and strengthening. But looking at the current design it can support Yalman RCWS with 2 x Quad Sungur Launched we have seen earlier on Burç;
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And possibly 2 x twin launchers from Levent or Göksur can be integrated to Yalman.

To integrate the Levent system as a whole, we need to move the ASW launchers to the front, and allocate the place for the Levent launcher, as it is the only place (after 40 mm mount deck) that can support a heavy system.

In my opinion, 8 Sungur or 4 Levent is still a decent air defense missile for a littoral ship, if possible with an additional upgrade with MAR-D and CENK-100N and Kangal-N system, and if possible with the addition of Şahin anti-UAV gun.

I hadn't seen that upgunned design before. I think keeping the aft with the depth charges and the ASW rockets keeps that side tidy. I agree that Levent or a system like that would be a tad heavy and would require extensive modification to the ship, like changing locations. Wish they had gone forward with a system like the earlier Bora PDMS. Sungur is a much more potent missile than the Stinger, it could give the boost DzKK wanted for smaller ships and boats. Simbad RC also sells nicely. Of course it's not the complete solution Levent is, but would be nice.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Once had this idea to apply SUNGUR on small warships/USVs, open to new ideas

 

[Brave Janissary]

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Once had this idea to apply SUNGUR on small warships/USVs, open to new ideas

Bro, if a ship has gökdeniz, isn’t putting on that ship a longer range sam, more logical?

gökdeniz (ciws) and Hisar-o (mid range)

 

[somegoodusername]

Bro, if a ship has gökdeniz, isn’t putting on that ship a longer range sam, more logical?

gökdeniz (ciws) and Hisar-o (mid range)

Not necessarily. Both Sungur and Gökdeniz are point defense systems, but their optimization points don’t overlap. Having both on a platform enhances protection, bringing it to a more complete level.

I wish we had quad-pack Hisars ready, as we could potentially fit two VLSs on our small patrol boats. Imagine a patrol boat with 8 Atmaca, 8 Çakır, 8 Hisar-D (in Quadpack configuration), Gökdeniz and Sungur, and 76mm cannon, and a towed sonar.

 

[Sanchez]

Siper deployed to İzmit?

"ASELSAN General Manager Akyol: We positioned our long-range air defense system in Gulf of İzmit"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846987736709832728

 

[boredaf]

Siper deployed to İzmit?

"ASELSAN General Manager Akyol: We positioned our long-range air defense system in Gulf of İzmit"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846987736709832728

Deployed already? That's fast and awesome. Also, why İzmit?

 

[somegoodusername]

Siper deployed to İzmit?

"ASELSAN General Manager Akyol: We positioned our long-range air defense system in Gulf of İzmit"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846987736709832728

Feels like this quote is taken from out of it's context too much.

 

[Boykaz]

Siper deployed to İzmit?

"ASELSAN General Manager Akyol: We positioned our long-range air defense system in Gulf of İzmit"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846987736709832728

wrong news. only long range radar deployed

 

[Brave Janissary]

Deployed already? That's fast and awesome. Also, why İzmit?

When Siper B2 missile system is located, it can be able to protect gölcük naval base, İstanbul and bursa.

 

[Saithan]

I was thinking wtf is Aselsan talking about deploying AD systems when it should be the MoD, also mentioning the location.....sheesh....

 

[Sanchez]

wrong news. only long range radar deployed

Indeed, later quotes I've seen only mention a long range radar, probably EIRS or TEIRS.

 

[Ripley]

When Siper B2 missile system is located, it can be able to protect gölcük naval base, İstanbul and bursa.

Exactly.
Istanbul Metropolitan area and its periphery is literally leading the nation at GDP, industrial output together with main naval base at Gölcük and various military assets puts a huge bulls eye over the region. So, no brainer.

 

[Sanchez]

Aselsan's Korkut-25. Looks like radars all around on a telescopic mast and an attachment for munition programming. Very interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848275562634100890

 

[UkroTurk]

Aselsan's Korkut-25. Looks like radars all around on a telescopic mast and an attachment for munition programming. Very interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848275562634100890

Very interesting. Is it velocity meter which attached to the barrel? So should we expect ASELSAN 25mm ATOM SMART ammunition?

İf yes, Turkish Navy could pay attention to this Compact CIWS.

 

[boredaf]

Aselsan's Korkut-25. Looks like radars all around on a telescopic mast and an attachment for munition programming. Very interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848275562634100890

Is it just me or the Gürz on the background in the second picture has 8 short range aa missiles on just one side, instead of the 4 they had shown before? Because I could swear I'm counting 8 openings for missiles, or is it just an optical illusion because of the angle?

Also, I love how compact it looks, I think they are really on the right track with this. I wonder how much it weighs.

 

[Sanchez]

Is it just me or the Gürz on the background in has 8 short range aa missiles on just one side, instead of the 4 they had shown before? Because I could swear I'm counting 8 openings for missiles, or is it just an optical illusion because of the angle?

Also, I love how compact it looks, I think they are really on the right track with this. I wonder how much it weighs

Your eyes and the shape of the covers deceive you.

 

[Anmdt]

Is it just me or the Gürz on the background in has 8 short range aa missiles on just one side, instead of the 4 they had shown before? Because I could swear I'm counting 8 openings for missiles, or is it just an optical illusion because of the angle?

Also, I love how compact it looks, I think they are really on the right track with this. I wonder how much it weighs.

Yes it seems each rack is holding two missiles. at first i mistook it for a MLRS.
Could be either the semi-active RF seeker equipped missile, or Göksur-IIR (Bozdoğan).
What seems lovely is that the canisters made to stack together, so this can be expanded or be modular.

Your eyes and the shape of the covers deceive you.

Angle it is then?. They must have used a wide aperture lens, the width to height proportion seemed off to me.