TR Air Defence Programs

[Yasar_TR]

And we're still waiting for that, unfortunately...

Although PIF-PAF is a great system that gives advanced agility to interceptor missiles, it is not a must.
Especially within atmosphere applications, TVC and traditional fin systems are more than adequate for fine manoeuvring. Our dual pulse interceptors all use TVC and fins to manoeuvre.

Things get a bit complicated when you start intercepting in rarified atmosphere and in space.

If you check SM-3 Arrow system; you have “Divert and Attitude Control Systems” in play there (DACS). There are at least 10 nozzles as pictured below that are activated in space, as and when needed, to give fine manoeuvring capability to this hit to kill missile.
Each of the 10 or so nozzles have individual throttle capability to adjust the amount of thrust applied in any one direction. This gives very precise manoeuvring.

If you investigate the video of the PIF-PAF system operation in PAC-3 missile in my above post, you will find that they utilise multiple explosive solid propellant rocket motors that activate as and when needed.

We have in the past tested our own PIF-PAF like systems under laboratory conditions. But we don’t know the type of exo atmospheric interceptor we will use.

We have seen SM-3 system intercepting Iranian missiles. We may use a similar system.

At the end of the day it will have to be the most economically and technically viable system to suit our needs and respond to the threat level we have around us. I would say wait until Siper Block 3 comes out. The finalised configuration of this block will be for high-altitude ballistic missile interception with the longest range in the family. (Presumably in excess of 200km)

 

[Pilatino]

Although PIF-PAF is a great system that gives advanced agility to interceptor missiles, it is not a must.
Especially within atmosphere applications, TVC and traditional fin systems are more than adequate for fine manoeuvring. Our dual pulse interceptors all use TVC and fins to manoeuvre.

Things get a bit complicated when you start intercepting in rarified atmosphere and in space.

If you check SM-3 Arrow system; you have “Divert and Attitude Control Systems” in play there (DACS). There are at least 10 nozzles as pictured below that are activated in space, as and when needed, to give fine manoeuvring capability to this hit to kill missile.
Each of the 10 or so nozzles have individual throttle capability to adjust the amount of thrust applied in any one direction. This gives very precise manoeuvring.

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If you investigate the video of the PIF-PAF system operation in PAC-3 missile in my above post, you will find that they utilise multiple explosive solid propellant rocket motors that activate as and when needed.

We have in the past tested our own PIF-PAF like systems under laboratory conditions. But we don’t know the type of exo atmospheric interceptor we will use.

We have seen SM-3 system intercepting Iranian missiles. We may use a similar system.

At the end of the day it will have to be the most economically and technically viable system to suit our needs and respond to the threat level we have around us. I would say wait until Siper Block 3 comes out. The finalised configuration of this block will be for high-altitude ballistic missile interception with the longest range in the family. (Presumably in excess of 200km)

I'm pretty sure we'll see it on more platforms soon if we really want to pull off multiple reuses like SpaceX, you need super precise control during re-entry and landing.

Roketsan's sounding rocket tests back in 2018-2021 shown the booster separates and then the upper stage does these crazy quick maneuvers using small side thrusters it's basically the same PIF-PAF system from the Aster missiles that lets it pull 60G turns.

Now Roketsan is pushing MUFS toward real orbital launches, the Somalia spaceport is coming along fast, and Baykar's Fergani etc.

I can feel that that's just around the corner especially if Siper Block 3 will have a big booster at its back similar to aster then we haven't got much choice due to the design (tvc vs booster at the back dilemma) so I can count this as another proof.

 

[Sanchez]

KORKUT 140/35 Very Short Range Air Defense System

There's talk of a continued order for VSHORAD systems. I think we can say that new Korkut like systems will be on the Arma 8x8, or an equivalent 8x8. Otokar and Aselsan have a great working relationship but number of Otokar vehicles to enter KKK inventory in the last 5 years I believe is less than 20, including the single Yener, few Urals for the Hisar-O batteries.

Both Altuğ and Alpha should be able to integrate the Korkut turret without any problems whatsoever anyhow. If KKK wants these new wheeled SPAAGs for defense of mechanized units, it's just better to integrate them on Altuğ or Alpha, for easier maintenance.

 

[boredaf]

There's talk of a continued order for VSHORAD systems. I think we can say that new Korkut like systems will be on the Arma 8x8, or an equivalent 8x8. Otokar and Aselsan have a great working relationship but number of Otokar vehicles to enter KKK inventory in the last 5 years I believe is less than 20, including the single Yener, few Urals for the Hisar-O batteries.

Both Altuğ and Alpha should be able to integrate the Korkut turret without any problems whatsoever anyhow. If KKK wants these new wheeled SPAAGs for defense of mechanized units, it's just better to integrate them on Altuğ or Alpha, for easier maintenance.

Alpha has Korkut turret included in their variants, so, that would make sense.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I just saw an picture of Gürz 200 is this a new variant of it something else?

 

[boredaf]

I just saw an picture of Gürz 200 is this a new variant of it something else?
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That does look different from what they have shown before. It seems like they are still tweaking with it to find the optimal overall turret design.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Gürz with extra jammers and Gökberk laser

Standard Gürz with different radar placement and sungur

Standard Gürz

Gürz with different radar placement as well as eo gimbal and new (FCR)?

 

[Tornadoss]

is it jammer on the right side on turret? or what?

 

[Huelague]

I like the „new“ vehicle more. By the way, Korkut turret should be more improved, a smaller and flatter one, less bulky.

 

[Sanchez]

One thing about air defence is that as we've recently seen, is that you'll never have too many.

Old trusty Bofors still has a place in this day and age, but sadly it's still very much one of the most numerous systems we have available for the VSHORAD role. We need 30x the amount of 35mm systems we now have.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010008358544384162

 

[boredaf]

One thing about air defence is that as we've recently seen, is that you'll never have too many.

Old trusty Bofors still has a place in this day and age, but sadly it's still very much one of the most numerous systems we have available for the VSHORAD role. We need 30x the amount of 35mm systems we now have.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010008358544384162

I agree, you can never have enough air defence and AA cannons proved that they are far more effective and efficient against drones and low flying targets. However, at least we learned something from Syria as we started modernising our aa cannons far earlier than other countries. They only realised that after war in Ukraine turned into a drone slinging match, news about France modernising theirs only came up last summer for example.

But yeah, we definitely need more. And we really need powerful laser systems to protect critical infrastructure in cities where it is far too dangerous for aa guns.

 

[UkroTurk]

I like the „new“ vehicle more. By the way, Korkut turret should be more improved, a smaller and flatter one, less bulky.

Is it compact enough?

İf Americans have prefered 30mm cal, so it means the cal is okay against today's threats.

Rheinmetall to develop 30mm x 173 Airburst Solution for the U.S. Navy - Naval News

American Rheinmetall Munitions has been awarded $14.3 million (€13.5 million) to develop new medium caliber ammunition for the U.S. Navy.

www.navalnews.com

Or this turret with missiles.
I would love to see 3x such turret on every warship.

 

[Kaan Azman]

GÖKBERK Laser Weapon Gets a Radar Upgrade with AURA 200-G | TURDEF

ASELSAN integrated the AURA 200-G compact multi-role AESA radar on the GÖKBERK laser weapon system, in place of the legacy AURA 100-G UAV detection radar.

turdef.com

GÖKBERK used to have AURA 100-G, which is kinda some years old at this point and limited to slow UAVs. On the other hand, AURA 200-G is paving the way for countering fast moving stuff and possibly C-RAM, for the future where GÖKBERK gets enough power output

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2014461607791800768

Unirobotics also put Echoguard on TRAKON LITE with M134 minigun, I guess we have our own mini Phalanx CIWS now

They previously put the radar on TRAKON 30 and even built on the idea further by pairing the RCWS with a mast for Echoshield

 

[Oublious]

We are using our Steel Dome systems in Kibris.

The multi-layered air defense network established by Turkey in Cyprus is being analyzed using satellite images. HISAR systems operate in integration with radars with ranges of 120 km and 500 km. This structure creates 'lethal zones' against helicopters, drones, and cruise missiles. All systems are connected to the central command network in Turkey (HAKIM). Additionally, communication networks can be disrupted with electronic warfare capabilities. This situation presents a critical picture in terms of military balance and deterrence in Cyprus.

Türkiye deploys mid-range Hisar-O air defense systems to Northern Cyprus - Straturka | Türkiye, Middle East & Geopolitics News

Turkey has deployed the Hisar-O medium-altitude air defense system to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), thereby increasing its deterrence. Dr. Yiannos Charalambides, who has published numerous detailed military research articles critical of Turkey in Simerini, a newspaper published...

www.straturka.com

 

[TR_123456]

We are using our Steel Dome systems in Kibris.

The multi-layered air defense network established by Turkey in Cyprus is being analyzed using satellite images. HISAR systems operate in integration with radars with ranges of 120 km and 500 km. This structure creates 'lethal zones' against helicopters, drones, and cruise missiles. All systems are connected to the central command network in Turkey (HAKIM). Additionally, communication networks can be disrupted with electronic warfare capabilities. This situation presents a critical picture in terms of military balance and deterrence in Cyprus.

Did we actually send it there or is this a Greek fantasy?

 

[Oublious]

Did we actually send it there or is this a Greek fantasy?

According to the Greek we have, they have satelite image and they say Turks will hear it from us first time.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I would send inflatable HİSAR's everywhere just to mess with greeks lmao

Just think about the BS they will come up with if it turns up in macedonia or albania lol

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2016264159009149333

Saudi Arabia sends a defense delegation to Türkiye! Air Defense Commander at ASELSAN.

 

[Sanchez]

Aselsan and CSG will create an EU based JV to build Korkut on a Tatra chassis and market it for European customers. Production will be handled in CSG facilities in Czechia and Slovakia.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019032167460814884