TR Air Defence Programs

[begturan]

Either way, it's necessary to think of counter measures. Finding out from where the drones come is important. Don't forget that Ukraine is capable of hitting targets quite deep in Russia.

So we need to have proper surveillance/ radar system and monitoring in place.

Russia has recently suffered significant losses in its Black Sea fleet and Crimean air defense network, while two Turkish cargo ships en route to a Ukrainian port were struck. These events don't seem coincidental.

We know that the Russians sabotaged and destroyed the Turkish navy twice during the Ottoman era. If Türkiye is also uneasy about the strengthening Russian naval presence in the Black Sea, we may be in conflict behind the scenes. Another scenario is that Ukraine may be trying to draw Türkiye into the conflict.

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2003018407634198581

New korkut variant

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2003018407634198581

New korkut variant

Has this been shared anywhere official? Because anyone can make something like this in 5 minutes nowadays.

 

[boredaf]

KORKUT 100/35 SB

SINGLE-BARREL VERY SHORT RANGE AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM

www.aselsan.com

Thanks mate! So, they also added a jammer.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Since when can korkut engage ballistic missiles

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/SST_KORKUT_140_35_ENG.pdf

I guess they mean like artillery rockets (230mm/300mm) still good

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2004115388817170666

New delivery of Air defence systems

 

[Pokemonte13]

Looks like siper production is getting better than I thought

 

[BalkanTurk90]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2004115388817170666

New delivery of Air defence systems

Hisar A+ ( 15 km range and 10km altitude ) with that range is useless just use Sungur instead and produce more Hisar O+ / Siper .
Any news about more tests of Siper 2 ? Can we expect first half 2026 to be active service ?

 

[boredaf]

Hisar A+ ( 15 km range and 10km altitude ) with that range is useless just use Sungur instead and produce more Hisar O+ / Siper .
Any news about more tests of Siper 2 ? Can we expect first half 2026 to be active service ?

Useless? Air defence doesn't just target planes, it can target drones, cruise missiles or ballistic missiles. There is a reason we call it a layered approach. It is all part of the air defence umbrella, and you can't have soldiers scanning the skies with a Sungur on their shoulders waiting to see a threat coming in.

 

[Saithan]

I think what he meant was using expensive missiles for short range is ridiculous. Hence why it would be better to have shorad type using sungur and such missiles which are cheaper to make.

 

[boredaf]

I think what he meant was using expensive missiles for short range is ridiculous. Hence why it would be better to have shorad type using sungur and such missiles which are cheaper to make.

It depends on what you are defending with that system. And Hisar wouldn't just target everything willy nilly and as I said, you can't have the same coverage with just Sungur.

 

[TheInsider]

Sungur and Levent should be used for short-range air defense. Hisar-A serves little purpose. It is heavy and expensive. There should also be a very cheap semi-active RF-guided short-range air defense missile.

 

[UkroTurk]

Hisar A+ ( 15 km range and 10km altitude ) with that range is useless just use Sungur instead and produce more Hisar O+ / Siper .
Any news about more tests of Siper 2 ? Can we expect first half 2026 to be active service ?

You can not send simultaneously 2-3 Sungur on one target. The Sungur missiles could hit each other, the seeker has limited capability. That's why Hisar a+ has data link Funktion . There is just one better alternative of Hisar A+, which is ground launched göksur missile ( Hala adını bilmiyorum) . Also Levent missile without data link but with microwave seeker smart solution.

Why was RIM-116 created? RAM missiles don't have data link but they aren't just SAM with IR guidance.

Aynı anda manpads ateşleyince birbirlerinin ısısına kitleniyorlar. Teker teker ateşlemek gerekiyor.

 

[Quasar]

needless to say Hisar A and Sungur are not interchangeable....Sensors, Target capacity, Range, Altitude.... they are for different Scenarios.

Sungur is the last line of defense V.S HİSAR-A is a preventive layer, even in more simpler words Sungur engages what has already penetrated yet HİSAR-A prevents penetration in the first place. MANPADS are reactive and terminal; SHORAD provides proactive area denial for maneuvering forces and covers the gaps.

.... and having more preventive layers and covering the gaps is the essence

cheaper missiles is not a sound argument.

instead of getting rid of Hisar A, we should supplement them with Gürz type systems


MANPADS

-Rely on simple seekers
-Engage threats only once already close
-Provide local protection (point defense) against low threats (e.g., helicopters, UAVs)

SHORAD

-Detect and track threats earlier
-Provide area coverage and proactive response
-Support maneuver forces and prevent deeper penetration

https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/of...missile-defence-policy?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

[Afif]

needless to say Hisar A and Sungur are not interchangeable....Sensors, Target capacity, Range, Altitude.... they are for different Scenarios.

Sungur is the last line of defense V.S HİSAR-A is a preventive layer, even in more simpler words Sungur engages what has already penetrated yet HİSAR-A prevents penetration in the first place. MANPADS are reactive and terminal; SHORAD provides proactive area denial for maneuvering forces and covers the gaps.

.... and having more preventive layers and covering the gaps is the essence

cheaper missiles is not a sound argument.

instead of getting rid of Hisar A, we should supplement them with Gürz type systems


MANPADS

-Rely on simple seekers
-Engage threats only once already close
-Provide local protection (point defense) against low threats (e.g., helicopters, UAVs)

SHORAD

-Detect and track threats earlier
-Provide area coverage and proactive response
-Support maneuver forces and prevent deeper penetration

https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/of...missile-defence-policy?utm_source=chatgpt.com

The point is to use sungur and levent with sensor package similar to that of HISAR A+ equipped with automatic fire control system. What penetrate HISAR A+ cannot be engaged by any Manpads simply for the fact that it would be too late for human reaction. Automated AAA guns at that point is more practically effective.

However, HISAR A+ is more expensive while something like levent is much more cost effective and practically can engage all the targets that a HISAR A+ would.

On the other hand, a slightly bigger HISAR O+ works much better as preventive option with 30km range and 15 km altitude.

 

[TheInsider]

Hisar-A should be axed. All Hisar-As should be replaced by Hisar-Os. Short-range (<15km) air defense solution should be mainly based on Aselsan Gürz or a similar system.35mm autocannon, Sungur, Levent and semi-active RF Guided cost-effective missile should be the main effectors of the system. The longest range air defense missile of the system should have 15km range. Sensor package should include 4x AESA radars(360 degree coverage) that has at least 2x the range of the longest range missile (30-35km), EO system, self protection sensors (LWR, RWR), acoustic sensor, 360 degree situational awareness system, and ESM/jammer. Missiles should be inherently mass producible in the thousands. The system should carry 16 missiles. Hisar-A IIR missile as well as Bozdoğan WVR missile shouldn't be a part of this structure. Bozdoğan should be a part of Gökdemir (national NASAMs) architecture.

 

[Quasar]

The point is to use sungur and levent with sensor package similar to that of HISAR A+ equipped with automatic fire control system. What penetrate HISAR A+ cannot be engaged by any Manpads simply for the fact that it would be too late for human reaction. Automated AAA guns at that point is more practically effective.

However, HISAR A+ is more expensive while something like levent is much more cost effective and practically can engage all the targets that a HISAR A+ would.

On the other hand, a slightly bigger HISAR O+ works much better as preventive option with 30km range and 15 km altitude.

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.... and having more preventive layers and covering the gaps is the essence

instead of getting rid of Hisar A, we should supplement them with Gürz type systems

As I clearly stated I am in favor of supplementing Hisar A+ with other systems as it should be but I am also clearly and definitly against the notion that hisar A+ is a useless system


-MANPADS cannot replace automated terminal defense (correct)
-HISAR O+ is a better preventive interceptor (correct)
-LEVENT + AAA is more cost-effective at close range (correct)

However

Removing HISAR A+ entirely risks a mid-layer engagement gap & dead zone where Glide bombs, Loitering munitions, Pop-up helicopters operate.

Unless LEVENT gains extended range or Hisar O+ density is increased yet still Hisar A+ is fulfilling Direct SHORAD escort role (Bubble around moving units) V.S Hisar O+ is an Area air defense (Umbrella over maneuver area)

 

[TheInsider]

Hisar-A is an outdated system. The T-LALADMIS project dates back to 2007. The system is designed taking into account the battlespace of that era and much has changed since then. Mass use of FPV and kamikaze drones, loitering munitions, NLOS anti-tank missiles, and low-cost cruise missiles like Kemankeş opened way to low-cost saturation of air defense systems. Short-range air defense must provide a solution to those problems.

 

[UkroTurk]

I don't think Hisar A+ is more expensive than Levent and göksur. More compact and tiny solutions are always more expensive.

 

[Quasar]

Defense Industry President Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün;

“The HİSAR-A system, one of the critical components of ÇELİKKUBBE within our layered air defense architecture, has successfully completed its acceptance firing using elements from the serial production line. In the firing conducted via the Missile Launch System (FFS) against a high-speed target detected and tracked by the Fire Control Device (AİC), full engagement was achieved with the HİSAR-A missile featuring an IIR seeker head, and the target was neutralized. With this firing, the new-generation HİSAR FFS configuration and the serial production batch consisting of HİSAR-A missiles with seeker heads have become mission-ready. With its advanced sensor, guidance, and engagement capabilities, HİSAR-A continues to serve as one of the foundational elements forming the backbone of our low-altitude air defense and strengthening the on-the-ground deterrence of ÇELİKKUBBE. I wholeheartedly congratulate the ASELSAN and ROKETSAN teams who contributed to this significant achievement, our Ministry of National Defense, and the esteemed personnel of our Land Forces Command. This firing is a resolute signature cast into the skies of the Sky Homeland, a silent yet powerful expression of our national engineering prowess. We continue to advance with confident steps in the Sky Homeland.”

Fire Control Device (AİC)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2006021444573016229