TR Air Defence Programs

[Fuzuli NL]

A blast from the past:

(Translation: Its engine isn't indigenous!!!)

Now our Aksungur flies with Turkish engines which, according to Mr. Kotil, the PD-170 is the most fuel sufficient in its category which allows the Aksungur an endurance that had reached 45 hours of continuous flight.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2002326694170935705

Isn't it problematic that two UAVs have flown deep into Turkiye over the past week without having been engaged by the Air Force?

 

[TheInsider]

I can see some kind of RF payload inside the nose

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2002326694170935705

Isn't it problematic that two UAVs have flown deep into Turkiye over the past week without having been engaged by the Air Force?

Note that Balıkesir Manyas is pretty close to Bandırma, where a major Air Force base is located at. These drones magically fly out of control and lead to 'interesting' spots.

Moreover these drones again use Turkish GSM infastructure, and likely with an operator within TR borders.

 

[Quasar]

A bit hard to accept Reality is we can’t spend an AIM 9 X or SAM for every and each drone we can’t cover the whole country with AAA guns. We may or may not be able to detect all of them. There can be times we may allow them if they don’t pose an immediate danger to populated areas or strategic locations….And I know this may not sound ideal

 

[Iskander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2002326694170935705

Isn't it problematic that two UAVs have flown deep into Turkiye over the past week without having been engaged by the Air Force?

Probably the goal is not to shoot them down, but to capture them safe and sound.

 

[TheInsider]

The first thing we should look for is flight logs and where it was launched.

 

[Iskander]

Note that Balıkesir Manyas is pretty close to Bandırma, where a major Air Force base is located at. These drones magically fly out of control and lead to 'interesting' spots.

Moreover these drones again use Turkish GSM infastructure, and likely with an operator within TR borders.

The Russians are writing that this is a false flag provocation orchestrated by Ukraine. They say the Turks must prove to us that these drones actually belong to the Russian army.

However even trying to do that is a futile effort.
It would be easier to sink the largest Russian warship in the Sea of Marmara and say, "We have nothing to do with it, Martians must have sunk it."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://en.topwar.ru/amp/275377-iz-turcii-soobschajut-ob-upavshem-v-selskoj-mestnosti-drone-s-krasnoj-zvezdoj.html&ved=2ahUKEwi-gJ-lhMyRAxW3hP0HHbJ-Pdc4ChAWegQIJxAB&usg=AOvVaw34A1agVQwTsEVe4LUnSKMz

 

[IC3M@N FX]

A temporary deployment of 8–10 TB2s for around two weeks in the Black Sea would enable high coverage density in order to analyse patterns, response times and deployment profiles. Should the situation stabilise, the deployment can then be reduced in a controlled manner to 4–6 platforms without significantly losing effectiveness.
The combination of EO/IR sensors and a supplementary AESA Pod from Aselsan is sufficient for the detection, identification and target assignment against this class of drones. In conjunction with BOZDOĞAN and EREN air-to-air guided missiles, effective interception capability is provided without signalling a claim to air sovereignty over manned platforms.
The approach thus remains below the escalation threshold, as only unmanned targets are engaged and no manned aircraft are involved. At the same time, valuable operational insights into sensor technology, command and control chains and chains of effect are gained under real-world conditions – a controlled demonstration of capability without strategic escalation. We should view it positively that we can test and evaluate AAMs in field trials under real-world conditions.

Imagine you can't get something like that without provoking a crisis or conflict. That way, we can improve our ammunition and sensors. Countries like Germany & Europe and others would kiss our feet for META Combat Data. Where else can you get something like that except through conflict?

 

[Atilla77]

Nothing. The large drone was already spotted over the Black Sea; if it had slipped in unnoticed, that would have been a real concern. Don’t be misled by the fact it was brought down over Çankırı-Elmadağ. As for the small drone, small drones are tricky to detect unless they’re close to critical sites.

Keep in mind, our Steel Dome system isn’t fully deployed yet. Even when it is, spotting individual small drones will remain a tough challenge. So, we need UAV-based early warning radars.

Could EW be a cost-effective way of intercepting such small drones? Sending an F-16 or firing a SAM missile every time a small drone violates our airspace will be a financial drain and a waste of valuable missiles.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Note that Balıkesir Manyas is pretty close to Bandırma, where a major Air Force base is located at. These drones magically fly out of control and lead to 'interesting' spots.

Moreover these drones again use Turkish GSM infastructure, and likely with an operator within TR borders.

Remember elmadağ where Roketsan , Mke , Sage are located and 'russian' drone was spooted there , for me that can be a false flag from Ukrane , west , israel and not russia

 

[Fairon]

I am just wild guessing but is it possible that the drone we "pulverized" was the big one that act as a relay for these Orlans? Once we shot it down, these ones also get downed by themselves as well?(after a little bit of time off course) This might explain the range question. (If I am remembering correctly, the first Orlan was downed couple of days before it was found)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2002043996613333002

This might also explain that why we could be able to detect the first one and not these ones.

 

[YeşilVatan]

A plausible scenario I read was Russians patrolling with drones in Black Sea because of the latest ship-hitting shenanigans, and some of them malfunctioned or got jinxed by EW and went into Turkey for some reason.

I cannot imagine what would be a Russian gain from flying some shitty drones into Turkey. Every top secret info is already open source or for sale by hackers already. If I put on my conspiracy hat, I'd say this is westoids trying to dive a wedge and disrupt our unique neutral-rivalry relationship. Which would make sense because I think they have the capability to direct low-grade Russian drones to just fly south by EW.

 

[Saithan]

Passive radar range extenders.

You don't necessarily have to deal with it, just find out where it comes from and track it.

Then you can work on developing quad rotary drones with jamming devices or such to hunt down drones. And have them placed where military says they should be.

Find drone > load Mission info on quad > hunt-kill> take off from base(s) and hunt. > Send jandarma units out in vehicles equipped for drone hunt.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Is the Thread Library of the turkish S400 updated in Türkiye or Russia?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Is the Thread Library of the turkish S400 updated in Türkiye or Russia?

Russia i believe. We did buy some rights in maintaining the system thats why we bought spares and such but i think software related issues are out of our reach

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Russia i believe. We did buy some rights in maintaining the system thats why we bought spares and such but i think software related issues are out of our reach

Don't we give Russia then information about everything we track with the S400 system? Isn't that stupid?

But I have heard that we have a IFF-System on our own that is used as "overlay" for the S400 so the Russians don't get any information from our tracking.

 

[Sanchez]

Don't we give Russia then information about everything we track with the S400 system? Isn't that stupid?

Not really, as it's not in use.

 

[begturan]

I think many people haven't been able to connect the dots regarding how events unfolded, but from what I've observed, there's a chain of events suggesting that the appearance of Russian UAVs in our airspace wasn't a coincidence. My predictions may be right or wrong, but they all seem connected.

Last month, a Turkish C130 cargo plane returning to Türkiye from Azerbaijan crashed over Georgia. On the 9th of this month, an An-22 transport plane, which had taken off from Russia after maintenance, crashed, its tail section breaking apart.

A few days later, a Russian tactical bomber approached Turkish airspace over the Black Sea, and a Russian UAV was shot down after entering Turkish airspace. Following this, two more UAVs crashed in Turkish airspace, likely due to electronic warfare.

Two possibilities come to mind: either we're having a power struggle with Russia behind the scenes, or Ukraine/Western countries are secretly plotting to sow discord between Turkey and Russia... What do you think about this point ?

Russia Says No Survivors in Military Cargo Plane Crash - The Moscow Times

Russia on Tuesday said there were no survivors in a military plane crash east of Moscow, with state media reporting earlier there were seven people onboard.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Saithan]

Either way, it's necessary to think of counter measures. Finding out from where the drones come is important. Don't forget that Ukraine is capable of hitting targets quite deep in Russia.

So we need to have proper surveillance/ radar system and monitoring in place.