TR Air Defence Programs

[Sanchez]

No idea if they mean complete systems or just the single vehicles. A single hisar battery consist of 8 vehicles.

Vehicles or pedestal units, of course.

 

[Pokemonte13]

my guess would be 2 Siper and 2-3 Hisar O batteries and the rest divided between radar systems, ew systems and other short range systems

 

[Sanchez]

my guess would be 2 Siper and 2-3 Hisar O batteries and the rest divided between radar systems, ew systems and other short range systems

Yup, like the other delivery from august. That was about 1 Siper and 3 Hisar Os, 1 Korkut battery and plenty of EW systems I think. But, the other issue is of course missile production to match the system production.

Steel Dome is basically a catchall from the smallest Kangal on a Kirpi to Siper and everything in between. On one hand, makes it hard to follow, on the other hand, makes it hard to follow for others. Such is life.

 

[TheInsider]

100 vehicle delivery will include all layers of the steel dome including EW systems, so I don't expect more than 2 batteries of siper and 4 batteries of Hisar.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Would still be good and with aselsan production increasing every year it could even get bigger. Only thing that matters now is the missile production but that is also dependent on them

 

[uçuyorum]

100 vehicle delivery will include all layers of the steel dome including EW systems, so I don't expect more than 2 batteries of siper and 4 batteries of Hisar.

2 batteries of siper a year is a lot and probably unrealistic even

 

[TheInsider]

2 batteries of siper a year is a lot and probably unrealistic even

Yes, but there is significant pressure from the government, and I think delivering two batteries is possible. Aselsan is trying to increase production to 1 battery per quarter.

 

[Samba]

Yes, but there is significant pressure from the government, and I think delivering two batteries is possible. Aselsan is trying to increase production to 1 battery per quarter.

What i think is that once 2 more batteries are delivered, we will hear from the government that s400 is disassembled and FAATSA should be removed.

 

[Pokemonte13]

ASELSAN Tests SARP 200/12.7D with ATOM 40 Airburst Grenades | TURDEF

ASELSAN shared a test video of the SARP 200/12.7D dual-weapon RCWS with UAV tracking capabilities using ATOM 40 airburst rounds to shoot down a small UAV.

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New Sarp dual with Atom 40mm and new drone tracking Sofware with internal loading capability

 

[boredaf]

That cut from 12.7 mm gun to 40 mm grenade launcher before the shot was hilarious.

 

[Samba]

2 drones violated our air space in the last week. What does that mean in terms of air coverage of our defence systems?

 

[Merzifonlu]

2 drones violated our air space in the last week. What does that mean in terms of air coverage of our defence systems?

Nothing. The large drone was already spotted over the Black Sea; if it had slipped in unnoticed, that would have been a real concern. Don’t be misled by the fact it was brought down over Çankırı-Elmadağ. As for the small drone, small drones are tricky to detect unless they’re close to critical sites.

Keep in mind, our Steel Dome system isn’t fully deployed yet. Even when it is, spotting individual small drones will remain a tough challenge. So, we need UAV-based early warning radars.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Nothing. The large drone was already spotted over the Black Sea; if it had slipped in unnoticed, that would have been a real concern. Don’t be misled by the fact it was brought down over Çankırı-Elmadağ. As for the small drone, small drones are tricky to detect unless they’re close to critical sites.

Keep in mind, our Steel Dome system isn’t fully deployed yet. Even when it is, spotting individual small drones will remain a tough challenge. So, we need UAV-based early warning radars.

I wonder how much equipment would be required to surveil the entire Black Sea coast with some kind of TB-2 + advanced sensor setup. I'd imagine it would be easier than covering the Syrian border because sea is flat.

 

[boredaf]

I wonder how much equipment would be required to surveil the entire Black Sea coast with some kind of TB-2 + advanced sensor setup. I'd imagine it would be easier than covering the Syrian border because sea is flat.

Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be better as it can stay in the air for almost two days, and we would probably need about half a dozen in the air at any time for something like that.

 

[Quasar]

Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be better as it can stay in the air for almost two days, and we would probably need about half a dozen in the air at any time for something like that.

if we can work around power supply issue Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be a useful asset

 

[Merzifonlu]

if we can work around power supply issue Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be a useful asset

+1.

If you combine the roughly 25 kW from the standard alternators on the Aksungur with the about 60 kW generated by the TRMotor's APU60, IMO it should have more than enough power to run that radar with ease.

 

[Saithan]

Yes, but we also need passive radar extenders along borders and such. That can detect and report. I am certain drones are going to be a massive tool for terrorists in the future, especially if they can get them cheap enough

 

[boredaf]

especially if they can get them cheap enough

Mate, you can make a mid range drone from cardboard, literally. An Australian company was selling them to Ukraine at some point.

 

[mehmed beg]

I wonder what Piaggio Hammerhead can carry?

 

[boredaf]

I wonder what Piaggio Hammerhead can carry?

Not only Hammerhead doesn't even actually exist, it can't carry as much as Aksungur or Akıncı AND doesn't have endurance anywhere close to them either. It is a failed product. Now, Avanti as a smaller AEW plane to supplement ground air defence installations might work.