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Nothing. The large drone was already spotted over the Black Sea; if it had slipped in unnoticed, that would have been a real concern. Don’t be misled by the fact it was brought down over Çankırı-Elmadağ. As for the small drone, small drones are tricky to detect unless they’re close to critical sites.

Keep in mind, our Steel Dome system isn’t fully deployed yet. Even when it is, spotting individual small drones will remain a tough challenge. So, we need UAV-based early warning radars.
I wonder how much equipment would be required to surveil the entire Black Sea coast with some kind of TB-2 + advanced sensor setup. I'd imagine it would be easier than covering the Syrian border because sea is flat.
 

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I wonder how much equipment would be required to surveil the entire Black Sea coast with some kind of TB-2 + advanced sensor setup. I'd imagine it would be easier than covering the Syrian border because sea is flat.
Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be better as it can stay in the air for almost two days, and we would probably need about half a dozen in the air at any time for something like that.
 

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Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be better as it can stay in the air for almost two days, and we would probably need about half a dozen in the air at any time for something like that.
if we can work around power supply issue Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be a useful asset
 
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if we can work around power supply issue Aksungur with Fulmar 500 would be a useful asset
+1.

If you combine the roughly 25 kW from the standard alternators on the Aksungur with the about 60 kW generated by the TRMotor's APU60, IMO it should have more than enough power to run that radar with ease.
 

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Yes, but we also need passive radar extenders along borders and such. That can detect and report. I am certain drones are going to be a massive tool for terrorists in the future, especially if they can get them cheap enough
 

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I wonder what Piaggio Hammerhead can carry?
Not only Hammerhead doesn't even actually exist, it can't carry as much as Aksungur or Akıncı AND doesn't have endurance anywhere close to them either. It is a failed product. Now, Avanti as a smaller AEW plane to supplement ground air defence installations might work.
 

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A blast from the past:
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(Translation: Its engine isn't indigenous!!!)

Now our Aksungur flies with Turkish engines which, according to Mr. Kotil, the PD-170 is the most fuel sufficient in its category which allows the Aksungur an endurance that had reached 45 hours of continuous flight.
 

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Isn't it problematic that two UAVs have flown deep into Turkiye over the past week without having been engaged by the Air Force?
Note that Balıkesir Manyas is pretty close to Bandırma, where a major Air Force base is located at. These drones magically fly out of control and lead to 'interesting' spots.

Moreover these drones again use Turkish GSM infastructure, and likely with an operator within TR borders.
 

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A bit hard to accept Reality is we can’t spend an AIM 9 X or SAM for every and each drone we can’t cover the whole country with AAA guns. We may or may not be able to detect all of them. There can be times we may allow them if they don’t pose an immediate danger to populated areas or strategic locations….And I know this may not sound ideal
 
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Note that Balıkesir Manyas is pretty close to Bandırma, where a major Air Force base is located at. These drones magically fly out of control and lead to 'interesting' spots.

Moreover these drones again use Turkish GSM infastructure, and likely with an operator within TR borders.
The Russians are writing that this is a false flag provocation orchestrated by Ukraine. They say the Turks need to prove that these drones actually belong to the Russian army...
However, even trying to do that is a futile effort.
It would be easier to sink the largest Russian warship in the Sea of Marmara and say, "We have nothing to do with it, Martians must have sunk it." :ROFLMAO:

 

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A temporary deployment of 8–10 TB2s for around two weeks in the Black Sea would enable high coverage density in order to analyse patterns, response times and deployment profiles. Should the situation stabilise, the deployment can then be reduced in a controlled manner to 4–6 platforms without significantly losing effectiveness.
The combination of EO/IR sensors and a supplementary AESA Pod from Aselsan is sufficient for the detection, identification and target assignment against this class of drones. In conjunction with BOZDOĞAN and EREN air-to-air guided missiles, effective interception capability is provided without signalling a claim to air sovereignty over manned platforms.
The approach thus remains below the escalation threshold, as only unmanned targets are engaged and no manned aircraft are involved. At the same time, valuable operational insights into sensor technology, command and control chains and chains of effect are gained under real-world conditions – a controlled demonstration of capability without strategic escalation. We should view it positively that we can test and evaluate AAMs in field trials under real-world conditions.

Imagine you can't get something like that without provoking a crisis or conflict. That way, we can improve our ammunition and sensors. Countries like Germany & Europe and others would kiss our feet for META Combat Data. Where else can you get something like that except through conflict?
 
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Nothing. The large drone was already spotted over the Black Sea; if it had slipped in unnoticed, that would have been a real concern. Don’t be misled by the fact it was brought down over Çankırı-Elmadağ. As for the small drone, small drones are tricky to detect unless they’re close to critical sites.

Keep in mind, our Steel Dome system isn’t fully deployed yet. Even when it is, spotting individual small drones will remain a tough challenge. So, we need UAV-based early warning radars.

Could EW be a cost-effective way of intercepting such small drones? Sending an F-16 or firing a SAM missile every time a small drone violates our airspace will be a financial drain and a waste of valuable missiles.
 

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Note that Balıkesir Manyas is pretty close to Bandırma, where a major Air Force base is located at. These drones magically fly out of control and lead to 'interesting' spots.

Moreover these drones again use Turkish GSM infastructure, and likely with an operator within TR borders.
Remember elmadağ where Roketsan , Mke , Sage are located and 'russian' drone was spooted there , for me that can be a false flag from Ukrane , west , israel and not russia
 

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