TR Air Defence Programs

[Anmdt]

The system presented by İsmail Demir as the S400 equivalent domestic missile will probably be a system with exoatmospheric interception capability against ballistic missiles and capable of reaching altitudes of around 150-200km. In parallel to these developments, a giant early warning ballistic missile detection radar system called YIR, which will have thousands of km ranges was scheduled as next target after EIRS become operational. As EIRS was developed to be the main early warning radar of Siper family, I think YIR will be the main radar of the S400 equivalent domestic missiles.

I think there was another radar in between, a more powerful EIRS radar, not the 'mobile' version (T), but fixed one (S)

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I think there was another radar in between, a more powerful EIRS radar, not the 'mobile' version (T), but fixed one (S)

There are two variants of EIRS bro and I think fixed EIRS will have more powerful output energy to reach longer ranges. TEIRS model was designed to be more compact.


Radar projects that will be integrated to HAKIM command control system.

EIRS
Passive radars
AIR(Low Altitude)
YIR (High Altitude)

 

[Cabatli_TR]

AIR low altitude radar

 

[Balamir]

I had evaluated the range of the missiles between Hisar and Siper as 80km and 120km, I was wrong. With this speech by Mr. Demir, we also confirmed that Hisar A and Hisar O have been updated and renamed. No more Hisar-A and Hisar-O. There is Hisar-A+ Hisar-O+.

I think that after Siper, ABM will be at 30+ km altitude and 200+ km range. This must be the system announced as GUMS.

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

Because they are what?

Because you don't tell us the price to consider it

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

I have a question to experienced members, Can a country buy various labelled air defense systems from various countries and make them work as one system ? And if yes what they should use to organise the work of the systems together

 

[Zafer]

Because you don't tell us the price to consider it

Because we don't know what the price is.

You need to tell what exactly you want to buy so that they can make you an offer. Price changes by the amount of the purchase. Also earlier customers get a discount I believe.

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

Thanks, interested in Short range air defense missile system against aircraft, Helicopters and low flying uavs like loitering monition , which one is better Hisar-A+ or HQ-7B ?

Because we don't know what the price is.

You need to tell what exactly you want to buy so that they can make you an offer. Price changes by the amount of the purchase. Also earlier customers get a discount I believe.

 

[Zafer]

Thanks, interested in Short range air defense missile system against aircraft, Helicopters and low flying uavs like loitering monition , which one is better Hisar-A+ or HQ-7B ?

Hisar A+ is good for the purposes you mentioned but I have no idea how it performs compared to HQ-7B.

Also there is "Korkut CIWS" for very low flying targets up to 4km to complement Hisar A+.

HQ-78 is only used by China, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Bangladesh and Algeria despite the 30+ years passed since its introduction. Hisar A+ is only used by the NATO standard Turkish military and it has only been a year since it was introduced. The Vendor of Hisar A+ the Turkish Defense Industries Presidency can provide a definitive answer to your further inquiries.

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

Hisar A+ is good for the purposes you mentioned but I have no idea how it performs compared to HQ-7B.

Also there is "Korkut CIWS" for very low flying targets up to 4km to complement Hisar A+.

HQ-78 is only used by China, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Bangladesh and Algeria despite the 30+ years passed since its introduction. Hisar A+ is only used by the NATO standard Turkish military and it has only been a year since it was introduced. The Vendor of Hisar A+ the Turkish Defense Industries Presidency can provide a definitive answer to your further inquiries.

Thanks a lot , info you provided is enough, Turkish equipments are good but priced kinda higher , but the perfomance is the most important , What about t-155 Firtina , do you have any idea about pricing and munition manufacturing ?

 

[Zafer]

Thanks a lot , info you provided is enough, Turkish equipments are good but priced kinda higher , but the perfomance is the most important , What about t-155 Firtina , do you have any idea about pricing and munition manufacturing ?

There isn't a publicly known price for Firtina either AFAIK and the ammunition is provided by the Turkish MKE munitions enterprises. Pricing should be somewhere between Western and Chinese makers' prices. The Firtina hasn't been sold to foreign buyers yet because of the German engine sanctions but the latest iteration of it comes with a Turkish engine and in hybrid form which makes the best power configuration. There should be no export restrictions since the engine is domestic now. Again Defense Industries Presidency is the vendor.

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Ka-52 Alligator ,
Just to add to @Zafer ’s info on munitions; Firtina ammunition comes in various forms. As well as standard rounds there are base-bleed rounds that give 40km range. Also 105mm and 155mm rounds recently have been augmented with a range correction attachment produced by Aselsan, as an extra which should be available soon. Aselsan brochure states that they are usable on Firtina. This apparently brings down the CEP values to around 30m. MKE too has been working on a precision guidance kit for the T-155 rounds. As it becomes available they should be usable with Firtina.
Aselsan’s “Atom” range correction unit.

 

[Huelague]

Because you don't tell us the price to consider it

@Zafer is not owner of the company, and I don't thing they will sell single privat person an air defense system

 

[Huelague]

Thanks a lot , info you provided is enough, Turkish equipments are good but priced kinda higher , but the perfomance is the most important , What about t-155 Firtina , do you have any idea about pricing and munition manufacturing ?

Around half price of western equivalents.

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

There isn't a publicly known price for Firtina either AFAIK and the ammunition is provided by the Turkish MKE munitions enterprises. Pricing should be somewhere between Western and Chinese makers' prices. The Firtina hasn't been sold to foreign buyers yet because of the German engine sanctions but the latest iteration of it comes with a Turkish engine and in hybrid form which makes the best power configuration. There should be no export restrictions since the engine is domestic now. Again Defense Industries Presidency is the vendor.

As i see turkey is struggling with engines but as they have will to make it they will success in shaa Allah , I like Firtina it was tested in Libya , it's good i hope new Afghan gov make a deal with local munition manufacturing

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

@Ka-52 Alligator ,
Just to add to @Zafer ’s info on munitions; Firtina ammunition comes in various forms. As well as standard rounds there are base-bleed rounds that give 40km range. Also 105mm and 155mm rounds recently have been augmented with a range correction attachment produced by Aselsan, as an extra which should be available soon. Aselsan brochure states that they are usable on Firtina. This apparently brings down the CEP values to around 30m. MKE too has been working on a precision guidance kit for the T-155 rounds. As it becomes available they should be usable with Firtina.
Aselsan’s “Atom” range correction unit.
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That's great i like this howitzer , with amunition upgrades it will be a beast

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

I don't think so , maybe less than western but not half

Around half price of western equivalents.

 

[Zafer]

@Zafer is not owner of the company, and I don't thing they will sell single privat person an air defense system

I can go ahead and buy Aselsan stock.

 

[Huelague]

I don't think so , maybe less than western but not half

German PZH2000 €~4.5 mio. Firtina?

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

German PZH2000 €~4.5 mio. Firtina?

I think firtina will be 1.5-2.5