TR Air Defence Programs

[Yasar_TR]

I predict Kemankeş will be used in this role and It will have much longer range. Overall, It will be 200km range A2A missile against drones.

Advanced 358 missiles powered by solid fuelled rocket engine with a speed of over 700km/hr, can fly at altitudes of 8500m to 10000m and with a 100km range and go after aerial targets. It is launched from ground.

The Kemankes-2 on the other hand has a communication range of 70km. Potentially it can have an operational range of 180+km. But not as yet. It has a speed of 370km/hr. It may have a potential maximum flight altitude of 5500m. But its operational altitude is under 2000m. (6000 ft). Kemankes-2 has a jet engine to propel it. It is Ground launched.

So they are totally different missiles as far as their operational details and kinematics go.

They may both be loitering munitions. But they have very different kinematics.

Kemankes is best for surface attacks and slow moving low altitude aerial targets like helicopters. It can operate under heavy jamming and bad weather. AI integrated operation gives this missile a high end performance for what it is intended.

358 missile is faster and has a higher operational altitude. Also price wise there could be a big difference between the two in favour of the 358. As a cheap alternative to conventional AD system missiles, it could be the ideal choice.

 

[mTT]

Kemankes-1 is air launched.
Kemankes-2:

KEMANKEŞ 2 Mini Intelligent Cruise Missile

KEMANKEŞ 2 is an indigenous and original mini intelligent cruise missile that Baykar developed for the purpose of striking strategically-important tar

baykartech.com

 

[Yasar_TR]

You are correct. Kemankes 2 is launched from ground by a speeding vehicle or Rocket Assisted Launch. Corrected accordingly.

KEMANKEŞ 2 Kamikaze UAV Takes Off With Rockets | TURDEF

Baykar has performed the rocket-assisted take-off (RATO) test of the KEMANKEŞ 2 kamikaze UAV following the tests with trolley-type take-off.

turdef.com

Speeding vehicle or catapult launch will probably be secondary methods as ROTA launch will give quick successive launch capabilities.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

GÜRZ Air Defence System Comes in Two Configurations | TURDEF

ASELSAN’s activity report for 2024 includes the development of the GÜRZ gun/missile hybrid air defence system in two configurations: GÜRZ 200 and GÜRZ 140.

turdef.com

 

[UkroTurk]

Here it comes

Looking forward Naval variant.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Here it comes
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Looking forward Naval variant.

These are more like concepts nothing concrete yet but I’m guessing they are currently working on a real prototype

 

[Huelague]

Here it comes
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Why not integrating the radar system into turret? Why just plug on.

 

[Sanchez]

NSPA awards modular GBAD system architecture contracts to Airbus, ASELSAN, Lockheed Martin UK, Raytheon, and Thales​

The NATO Support and Procurement Agency (NSPA) has signed five Outline Agreements with Airbus Defence and Space GmbH, ASELSAN Elektronik Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş., Lockheed Martin UK, Raytheon and Thales LAS. These contracts support the Modular Ground-Based Air Defence (GBAD) Concept Stage through concept studies and technical services.


As the first step in a newly introduced procurement strategy, the selected contractors will begin work on Concept Study #1, focusing on the development of an overarching system architecture framework. This framework will guide future Modular GBAD studies.
The deliverables for Concept Study #1 are expected by mid-September 2025 and will be evaluated to identify the most promising system architecture concepts. Contractors whose solutions are selected will proceed to Concept Study #2 (Modularity) and #3 (New Technologies).

This competitive, multi-contractor setup is designed to generate diverse and independent insights into modularity concepts. It aims to identify and utilise both proven and innovative technologies in support of Modular GBAD operational and supportability capabilities.
NSPA stated that the awarding of Concept Study #1 via multiple Outline Agreements represents “a successful example of the effective governance of all Modular GBAD Support Partnership Nations.” The Agency also reaffirmed its position, saying, “This milestone reaffirms NSPA’s commitment to professionalism, operational efficiency and customer satisfaction, as the Agency becomes the premier choice for multinational defence acquisition across the Alliance, providing a link between Nations and Industry.”

https://www.nspa.nato.int/news/2025/nspa-awards-five-outline-agreements-and-modular-gbad-concept-study-1-

 

[Sanchez]

So many lessons to be learned from this. There are plenty of projects companies are working on, plenty of different solutions to similar problems. But it requires a more general outlook and an army and state apparatus that is willing to use that manpower and pour money. Our naval bases, airfields, strategic installations, outposts are not ready for attacks of this scale. Frankly, probably no one's is.

 

[Sanchez]

Imo this shows us that we should start to mass produce the lowest layers of "Steel Dome" first. Gladly those first two layers are the cheapest too, compared to the upper layers.

You're not wrong per se, but in the last 5 or so years, how many of these systems were incurred into service? I fear we are being too slow, again. Defence Turk's drone general guide was published when, in 2021? How many direct kill systems, how many wheeled systems, how many jammers do we have? Are they working?

 

[Saithan]

Fishnets and similar low level hindrances could be used to prevent any attack. Especially if you consider the terrorists who'd be financed and provided with means to attempt an attack

 

[Samba]

Fishnets and similar low level hindrances could be used to prevent any attack. Especially if you consider the terrorists who'd be financed and provided with means to attempt an attack

Well structured fence cages for Russian bombers would save them easily

 

[boredaf]

You're not wrong per se, but in the last 5 or so years, how many of these systems were incurred into service? I fear we are being too slow, again. Defence Turk's drone general guide was published when, in 2021? How many direct kill systems, how many wheeled systems, how many jammers do we have? Are they working?

While I get where you're coming from, this is actually one area of our military that we are actually well ahead of the curve. We have been dealing with these small drones well before Russian invasion and we started acquiring the necessary systems ahead of time. Not just Korkut but also modernization of older Oerlikon and other aa guns as well as jammer and laser systems. Most countries are now trying to play catch up after seeing Ukraine, and I'm willing to bet while we are not where we might want to be, we are in a better place then most others.

But I also agree that we need to ramp production and acquisition up.

 

[uçuyorum]

While I get where you're coming from, this is actually one area of our military that we are actually well ahead of the curve. We have been dealing with these small drones well before Russian invasion and we started acquiring the necessary systems ahead of time. Not just Korkut but also modernization of older Oerlikon and other aa guns as well as jammer and laser systems. Most countries are now trying to play catch up after seeing Ukraine, and I'm willing to bet while we are not where we might want to be, we are in a better place then most others.

But I also agree that we need to ramp production and acquisition up.

Our problem is indeed not that we don't have such systems, but that we don't have them deployed comprehensively

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934248381406220572

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934248381406220572

I like how we see the single Siper battery on its first ever deployment being caught on cameras, but friends still argue that S-400 is not based in hangars in Mürted but is actually deployed.

 

[Saithan]

How many Siper batteries would we need as a bare minimum for decent coverage, I remember how there were some displays using S400, but I think we need a hell of a lot more than a couple for decent coverage. Including the Short range AD systems too

 

[Samba]

How many Siper batteries would we need as a bare minimum for decent coverage, I remember how there were some displays using S400, but I think we need a hell of a lot more than a couple for decent coverage. Including the Short range AD systems too

I ain't an expert but I don't think it is possible to cover every inch of your soil especially for a big country like turkiye. Instead you need radar coverage, early warning systems and air patrol flying all the time in tandem with those. So that you can stay alert and react in a timely manner for s surprise attack.

As for G2A systems, they are to protect significant and strategic assets while providing deterrence to hostile fighters .

 

[Pokemonte13]

I ain't an expert but I don't think it is possible to cover every inch of your soil especially for a big country like turkiye. Instead you need radar coverage, early warning systems and air patrol flying all the time in tandem with those. So that you can stay alert and react in a timely manner for s surprise attack.

As for G2A systems, they are to protect significant and strategic assets while providing deterrence to hostile fighters .

it is possible but Financially not sane nor necessary as you only protect what you have to but for turkey dependent on the missile around 15 systems should do fine but more radar systems like Alp 300/500/600 are needed for early warning and ballistic defence

 

[No Name]

it is possible but Financially not sane nor necessary as you only protect what you have to but for turkey dependent on the missile around 15 systems should do fine but more radar systems like Alp 300/500/600 are needed for early warning and ballistic defence

Even if you have all the systems in the required number, how do you even stop what Israel and Ukraine did?