TR Air Defence Programs

[boredaf]

You're not wrong per se, but in the last 5 or so years, how many of these systems were incurred into service? I fear we are being too slow, again. Defence Turk's drone general guide was published when, in 2021? How many direct kill systems, how many wheeled systems, how many jammers do we have? Are they working?

While I get where you're coming from, this is actually one area of our military that we are actually well ahead of the curve. We have been dealing with these small drones well before Russian invasion and we started acquiring the necessary systems ahead of time. Not just Korkut but also modernization of older Oerlikon and other aa guns as well as jammer and laser systems. Most countries are now trying to play catch up after seeing Ukraine, and I'm willing to bet while we are not where we might want to be, we are in a better place then most others.

But I also agree that we need to ramp production and acquisition up.

 

[uçuyorum]

While I get where you're coming from, this is actually one area of our military that we are actually well ahead of the curve. We have been dealing with these small drones well before Russian invasion and we started acquiring the necessary systems ahead of time. Not just Korkut but also modernization of older Oerlikon and other aa guns as well as jammer and laser systems. Most countries are now trying to play catch up after seeing Ukraine, and I'm willing to bet while we are not where we might want to be, we are in a better place then most others.

But I also agree that we need to ramp production and acquisition up.

Our problem is indeed not that we don't have such systems, but that we don't have them deployed comprehensively

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934248381406220572

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934248381406220572

I like how we see the single Siper battery on its first ever deployment being caught on cameras, but friends still argue that S-400 is not based in hangars in Mürted but is actually deployed.

 

[Saithan]

How many Siper batteries would we need as a bare minimum for decent coverage, I remember how there were some displays using S400, but I think we need a hell of a lot more than a couple for decent coverage. Including the Short range AD systems too

 

[Samba]

How many Siper batteries would we need as a bare minimum for decent coverage, I remember how there were some displays using S400, but I think we need a hell of a lot more than a couple for decent coverage. Including the Short range AD systems too

I ain't an expert but I don't think it is possible to cover every inch of your soil especially for a big country like turkiye. Instead you need radar coverage, early warning systems and air patrol flying all the time in tandem with those. So that you can stay alert and react in a timely manner for s surprise attack.

As for G2A systems, they are to protect significant and strategic assets while providing deterrence to hostile fighters .

 

[Pokemonte13]

I ain't an expert but I don't think it is possible to cover every inch of your soil especially for a big country like turkiye. Instead you need radar coverage, early warning systems and air patrol flying all the time in tandem with those. So that you can stay alert and react in a timely manner for s surprise attack.

As for G2A systems, they are to protect significant and strategic assets while providing deterrence to hostile fighters .

it is possible but Financially not sane nor necessary as you only protect what you have to but for turkey dependent on the missile around 15 systems should do fine but more radar systems like Alp 300/500/600 are needed for early warning and ballistic defence

 

[No Name]

it is possible but Financially not sane nor necessary as you only protect what you have to but for turkey dependent on the missile around 15 systems should do fine but more radar systems like Alp 300/500/600 are needed for early warning and ballistic defence

Even if you have all the systems in the required number, how do you even stop what Israel and Ukraine did?

 

[Zafer]

Even if you have all the systems in the required number, how do you even stop what Israel and Ukraine did?

Intelligence, you spot them before they become a thing.

 

[YusufKnight]

is Turkiye's radars able to detect and track Iran's hypersonic missiles when launched at Israel, in order to collect data about it to analyze its trajectory speed and behavior?

 

[Sanchez]

Even if you have all the systems in the required number, how do you even stop what Israel and Ukraine did?

By having a large, capable robust air force. There's no other way. Even then, there's no way to really "stop" such action.

 

[TR_123456]

is Turkiye's radars able to detect and track Iran's hypersonic missiles when launched at Israel, in order to collect data about it to analyze its trajectory speed and behavior?

If within range of the radar then yes.

 

[hugh]

By having a large, capable robust air force. There's no other way. Even then, there's no way to really "stop" such action.

having multiple subs with nuclear warheads roaming the open seas would certainly help

 

[No Name]

Can a swarm of Songar drones be used as air defence against other drones?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Can a swarm of Songar drones be used as air defence against other drones?

Depends on the speed of the drones and what you mean es airdefence like are they equiped with guns, missiles or suicide

 

[Sanchez]

having multiple subs with nuclear warheads roaming the open seas would certainly help

That's the single most expensive capability any country can achieve force wise. A large, capable, robust air force is honestly cheaper, and less politically cumbersome.

If you're not up there in the skies, you don't own them. If you don't own them, anything you have is a target. We are veering off topic but for decades, only air defence Turkey had was its large, robust, capable air force. To be honest at this stage, it still is.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

By having a large, capable robust air force. There's no other way. Even then, there's no way to really "stop" such action.

Israel have US otherwise they will be wiped off , Israel can only produce 30 arrow 3 anti BM per YEAR while iran can produce 40 mendium range BM per MONTH
So israel can run out of anti BM and can be bombed non stop even from old BM ones but US come to help them with THAAD and SM3/6 , PAC3 but even US will run out of missiles if not increase production rate like in wartime .

 

[Sanchez]

Israel have US otherwise they will be wiped off , Israel can only produce 30 arrow 3 anti BM per YEAR while iran can produce 40 mendium range BM per MONTH
So israel can run out of anti BM and can be bombed non stop even from old BM ones but US come to help them with THAAD and SM3/6 , PAC3 but even US will run out of missiles if not increase production rate like in wartime .

What does this even mean? They do have the US, they will always have the US until the day US is alive. When it's not US, it'll be someone else. They survived much worse. Even then, missiles carrying 500kg equivalent tnt doesn't "wipe off" anyone. They are disruptive, but won't make anyone surrender. Germans didn't surrender to the much worse allied bombings, neither did the Japanese. But unlike the Japanese, Israelis have nukes too.

Air defence is expensive for everyone. Only cheap air defence is the one that doesn't exist. How many Hisar missiles do you think we produce a year? We still have one single Siper battery, which can't handle non air breathing targets.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

What does this even mean? They do have the US, they will always have the US until the day US is alive. When it's not US, it'll be someone else. They survived much worse. Even then, missiles carrying 500kg equivalent tnt doesn't "wipe off" anyone. They are disruptive, but won't make anyone surrender. Germans didn't surrender to the much worse allied bombings, neither did the Japanese. But unlike the Japanese, Israelis have nukes too.

Air defence is expensive for everyone. Only cheap air defence is the one that doesn't exist. How many Hisar missiles do you think we produce a year? We still have one single Siper battery, which can't handle non air breathing targets.

The state like israel 20k km² more than half desert , and all cities closse to each other cant survive BM attacks efonomically nor psychologically , imagine every month u got bombed by 400 BM , destroying every part of your city , industey , infrasctructure .
In ww2 people survive because they were huge countries , when one city got bombed , others came to help and replace them . Its not same with israel .
Its same like if Turkiye during earthquake was just the part of land that got destroyed .
Every bomb that is droped in israel , at least half of its population is terrified from its noise because they live in small area .
And there is not only 500kg warhead but can go up to 10 ton like south korean ones and thats why i told that Turkiye should produce to terrify the enemy .

 

[boredaf]

Israel can only produce 30 arrow 3 anti BM per YEAR while iran can produce 40 mendium range BM

And just got their arses handed to them in a spectacular fashion.

The state like israel 20k km² more than half desert , and all cities closse to each other cant survive BM attacks efonomically nor psychologically , imagine every month u got bombed by 400 BM , destroying every part of your city , industey , infrasctructure .
In ww2 people survive because they were huge countries , when one city got bombed , others came to help and replace them . Its not same with israel .
Its same like if Turkiye during earthquake was just the part of land that got destroyed .
Every bomb that is droped in israel , at least half of its population is terrified from its noise because they live in small area .
And there is not only 500kg warhead but can go up to 10 ton like south korean ones and thats why i told that Turkiye should produce to terrify the enemy .

And there is no reason to post like a genocidal lunatic, our goal shouldn't be to destroy this or that country ffs.