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[Oublious]

Minister Güler said, "An initial payment of 1.4 billion dollars has been made for the F-16s. 40 F-16s will be purchased. We have abandoned the 79 modernization kits. The Americans stated that they could provide the F-35."

Bakan Güler'den teğmen açıklaması: Kasıtlı organize disiplinsizlik! F-35 ve F-16 sürprizi

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, teğmenlerin kılıçlı korsan yeminine ilişkin "Suç kılıç çatmak değil, kasıtlı organize disiplinsizliktir." dedi. ABD'den

www.haber7.com

wtf is happening?

 

[uçuyorum]

Great, now they will not give back the 1.4 billion for the f35, they wont give modernization packs which would have arrived earlier than f16s, delay the delivery of anything to us by more years, and tell us they might give f35 and not give that as well. Superb plan. At least murad has materialized

 

[Khagan1923]

Minister Güler said, "An initial payment of 1.4 billion dollars has been made for the F-16s. 40 F-16s will be purchased. We have abandoned the 79 modernization kits. The Americans stated that they could provide the F-35."

Bakan Güler'den teğmen açıklaması: Kasıtlı organize disiplinsizlik! F-35 ve F-16 sürprizi

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, teğmenlerin kılıçlı korsan yeminine ilişkin "Suç kılıç çatmak değil, kasıtlı organize disiplinsizliktir." dedi. ABD'den

www.haber7.com

let's say this is true why would you abandon the 79 kits and not the 40 F-16 which you won't see until the end of this decade? With the kits at least you will have 79 F-16 in Block 70 config with an AESA Radar and new gen EW/Avionics in way shorter time.

You could also divert the money for the 40 new F-16 towards the planned purchase of the 40 EF Tranche 4 or towards other purchases.

This does not make sense to me.

Abandoning the 40 F-16 in favor of 40-42 F-35A (with 6 coming out of storage) makes more sense.
Interesting choice, still do we have a more "reliable" source on this supposed quote?

 

[uçuyorum]

let's say this is true why would you abandon the 79 kits and not the 40 F-16 which you won't see until the end of this decade? With the kits at least you will have 79 F-16 in Block 70 config with an AESA Radar and new gen EW/Avionics in way shorter time.

You could also divert the money for the 40 new F-16 towards the planned purchase of the 40 EF Tranche 4 or towards other purchases.

I know there are older f16s that will age too much, but those are mostly getting özgür. Unless we used some of the block 50s so much that they are better replaced than modernized which I doubt

 

[Khagan1923]

I know there are older f16s that will age too much, but those are mostly getting özgür. Unless we used some of the block 50s so much that they are better replaced than modernized which I doubt

Seems weird to me, as I know the most used aircrafts have undergone life-extension by TAI with kits deliverd by LM making sure they are able to serve for another 10-15 years. Those are also the ones which will undergo Özgür and not be modernized or at least were planned not to be modernized by the 79 kits.

Now we will be left again without any aircraft that is uptodate until the first Block 70 F-16 is handed over or the first F-35A or the first EF Tranche 4, all of which will take at least another 4+ years to happen. Other than the 6 F-35A in storage which could be handed over quickly the Air Force will be left standing waiting for almost half a decade to get new blood in.

Like I said weird choice. I always expected that we would find ourselves back into the F-35A but I would rather see them cancel the 40 F-16 put an order in for 40-42 F-35As and keep the kits.

Also if this happens and Türkiye gets back into the F-35 people should expect the Navy to divert towards the F-35B for its AC plans.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

let's say this is true why would you abandon the 79 kits and not the 40 F-16 which you won't see until the end of this decade? With the kits at least you will have 79 F-16 in Block 70 config with an AESA Radar and new gen EW/Avionics in way shorter time.

You could also divert the money for the 40 new F-16 towards the planned purchase of the 40 EF Tranche 4 or towards other purchases.

This does not make sense to me.

Abandoning the 40 F-16 in favor of 40-42 F-35A (with 6 coming out of storage) makes more sense.
Interesting choice, still do we have a more "reliable" source on this supposed quote?

First If USA want 40 f16 an produce fpr 1 week not until the end of decade
Second why to upgrade 79 f16 with US kits when we ave our own f16 Özgur upgrade project !
Third F35 is problematic and very expensive aircraft + will be 24/7 under US control and even if they give it for cheap is not great idea to keep it in your airforce .
Bying 40 f16 sounds good but we should pressure US to produce them under 2 years .

 

[Boykaz]

I'm waiting for the KIZILELMA video from Baykar regarding the F-35 news

 

[Fairon]

let's say this is true why would you abandon the 79 kits and not the 40 F-16 which you won't see until the end of this decade? With the kits at least you will have 79 F-16 in Block 70 config with an AESA Radar and new gen EW/Avionics in way shorter time.

You could also divert the money for the 40 new F-16 towards the planned purchase of the 40 EF Tranche 4 or towards other purchases.

This does not make sense to me.

Abandoning the 40 F-16 in favor of 40-42 F-35A (with 6 coming out of storage) makes more sense.
Interesting choice, still do we have a more "reliable" source on this supposed quote?

Maybe we also get an approval for modernizing all of our F16's with Özgür 2 program? That would make sense to abandoning Viper kits.(That leaves the question that why getting the new F16V's at all though? Maybe to using American weapons or just part of an agreement to getting approval for our own modernization?)

Interesting development nevertheless.

 

[hugh]

Second why to upgrade 79 f16 with US kits when we ave our own f16 Özgur upgrade project !

We need their permission to equip those aircrafts with our own products.

Third F35 is problematic and very expensive aircraft + will be 24/7 under US control and even if they give it for cheap is not great idea to keep it in your airforce .

If they control or deny access to our F35s remotely, it would have huge consequences for them and it would not just be us. I can't imagine such a scenario happening except maybe using the aircrafts against Israel.

Bying 40 f16 sounds good but we should pressure US to produce them under 2 years .

we don't have such leverage on the US.

it's a fucking disgrace to think that we would keep ourselves in the supply-chain and earn billions while having a few squadrons of F35 in our airforce if it weren't for that bloody S400 blunder. That S400 move deserves a few dissertations in the academy. two thousand years of state-mind my ass.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Minister Güler said, "An initial payment of 1.4 billion dollars has been made for the F-16s. 40 F-16s will be purchased. We have abandoned the 79 modernization kits. The Americans stated that they could provide the F-35."

Bakan Güler'den teğmen açıklaması: Kasıtlı organize disiplinsizlik! F-35 ve F-16 sürprizi

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanı Yaşar Güler, teğmenlerin kılıçlı korsan yeminine ilişkin "Suç kılıç çatmak değil, kasıtlı organize disiplinsizliktir." dedi. ABD'den

www.haber7.com

Most likely this means that the modernization of the F-16 will take place in Turkey. There is no need for modernization kits.

 

[TheInsider]

Unfortunately, big strings are attached to the Eurofighter, F-16, and possible F-35 deal...
The first one is the NATO bid of South Cyprus.
The second one is the Sea of Islands and East Med issues (as a bonus, the rights of the Greek Patriarchate will be increased)
The third one is the PKK terror state.

 

[YeşilVatan]

We're shafted again. I'm on the verge of posting hardcore Selahattin Özdemir songs. This is to much suffering. I didn't love a prostitute to grieve tihs much, I just love my country.

Let me tell you what will happen: Americans will go back on their words. Again. Because they think we are subhumans and promises made to Turks are esentially optional. Of three things we actually need from Americans, we will not get even one. Not in the timeframe where it matters.

We will not get upgrade kits. But this was actually the quickest way of upgrading our airforce. It makes sense on why they don't give us that: Americans are essentially playing a delaying game. For what? I have some scary theories about that.

We will not get new planes before it is too late. Maybe after 2032. That's why they just take us on a trip through the swamp of DC bureucracy. Delaying game.

We will not get F-35s. It's written into US law. No one in US can send F-35s without spending serious political capital or complete Turkish capitulation on god knows what. They just hold it as an option like a $10 whore soliciting from a 80 IQ village idiot who she'll never sleep with. Delaying game.

I wish I am wrong. But I'm not.

Edit: This is my opinion which I desperately want to be proven wrong about.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861496066333344023

Another source about the same F35 news.
More like the news about the f16 V70 kits and the 40 new V70s.

Please give source when making important statements even if they are logically derived statements. Otherwise state that it is your opinion.

 

[Sanchez]

(That leaves the question that why getting the new F16V's at all though? Maybe to using American weapons or just part of an agreement to getting approval for our own modernization?)

Interesting development nevertheless.

Air force needs more aircraft. This is the lowest number of fighters they've had for the last 50 or 60 years.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Unfortunately, big strings are attached to the Eurofighter, F-16, and possible F-35 deal...
The first one is the NATO bid of South Cyprus.
The second one is the Sea of Islands and East Med issues (as a bonus, the rights of the Greek Patriarchate will be increased)
The third one is the PKK terror state.

Please add source. These are logical reasons. But you must provide source. Or make sure it is your personal opinions.

 

[Fairon]

Air force needs more aircraft. This is the lowest number of fighters they've had for the last 50 or 60 years.

Correct but we could've increased the F35 order instead.

Well, I seem to be combined news with F-16 sale and F35 possibility and wrote under the assumption that we are getting F35's. Considering it is just a posibility, not cancelling the F16V procurement without until we now we can get F35 made sense. Orders still may converted to F35's if we get an approval for it.(Or not. Depends how much Air Force wants to be rely on F35's. )

 

[uçuyorum]

Unfortunately, big strings are attached to the Eurofighter, F-16, and possible F-35 deal...
The first one is the NATO bid of South Cyprus.
The second one is the Sea of Islands and East Med issues (as a bonus, the rights of the Greek Patriarchate will be increased)
The third one is the PKK terror state.

What will the planes protect then?

 

[Sanchez]

Correct but we could've increased the F35 order instead.

Well, I seem to be combined news with F-16 sale and F35 possibility and wrote under the assumption that we are getting F35's. Considering it is just a posibility, not cancelling the F16V procurement without until we now we can get F35 made sense. Orders still may converted to F35's if we get an approval for it.(Or not. Depends how much Air Force wants to be rely on F35's. )

MoD's statements regarding the F-35s are in the air. There's nothing happening there for now. This is solely about the F-16s. F-16s that look like will be built in US, not Turkey.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The F-35 makes sense to buy, we don't have the possibility to develop a extra Aircraft for the navy in the next 10-15 years.
The TCG Anadolu is running virtually empty, and TCG Trakya and TCG Mugem are also planned. The Hürjet is not competitive as the only manned combat aircraft for the navy, it is inadequate compared to Rafaele & Co even if you also have drones like Kizilelma, Anka 3 and TB3.

 

[2033]

Our air force is in deep weakness. We have become an unpopular member of NATO as a result of the great stupidity in foreign policy in the last 10 years. At times we have been close to Russia and have pursued a hypocritical policy. Russia has nothing to give us except natural gas. We are paying the price of unnecessary rapprochement with Russia by weakening our air force.

I think the US will prolong the F-35 process and stall us instead of saying "no".

I am sure none of the Nato leaders trust Erdogan in any way. I don't think it is possible to restore trust.