TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[boredaf]

We should produce Antonov An-178 and An-188 in Turkiye with Aselsan avionics and Western engines. They are beautiful cargo planes with outstanding performance. We can sign a deal similar to the T-129 Atak project. Instead of buying various platforms from different parties, we can support our own defense industry. We need a sizeable cargo fleet. Tanker or AWACS versions can also be developed as time passes. We can order a big number of planes, like 60, and take delivery in 10 years for maximum production line efficiency.

Türkiye ve Ukrayna'nın ortak nakliye uçağı projesi An-188'in özellikleri

“Bu yazıdaki bilgiler Antonov tarafından hazırlanmış resmi broşürden alınmıştır.” Antonov AN-188, 4 propfan motorlu ve 8 pervaneli AN-70 nakliye uçağı temeli ile geliştirilmekte olan 4 turbofan motorlu kısa kalkış/iniş özellikli bir askeri nakliye uçağıdır. Antonov AN-188 iniş takımları yüksek...

www.defenceturk.net

It sounds great on paper but have heard anything about this since the war started? I don't think it is on the table anymore.

 

[Saithan]

As long as we don't have an indigenous engine for these platforms then we're stuck. If we can develop and build an engine in Turkiye (from scratch) that can power e.g. CN235 then that would be a good starting point and we can proceed from there.

That's why our own engine projects are so important, but I wish we could progress faster and have some semi-serial production soon.

 

[TheInsider]

As long as we don't have an indigenous engine for these platforms then we're stuck. If we can develop and build an engine in Turkiye (from scratch) that can power e.g. CN235 then that would be a good starting point and we can proceed from there.

That's why our own engine projects are so important, but I wish we could progress faster and have some semi-serial production soon.

We won't be stuck with those. They are unarmed cargo planes. We will buy CFM leap engines like everyone else does. TEI has full maintenance and part production capability for LEAP engines.

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/projects/international-projects/leap-engine

CFM International LEAP - Vikipedi

tr.wikipedia.org

It sounds great on paper but have heard anything about this since the war started? I don't think it is on the table anymore.

We will offer a deal similar to T-129 and produce those planes in Turkiye. I don't think Ukraine will reject th.is offer. At this point, they need anything to stimulate their economy. TUSAS can shift some of the structural parts production to TOMTAS.

 

[begturan]

In the short term, we need to procure an A400M or other foreign transport aircraft, but in the long term, we need to convert an engine like the TF6000 to a turbofan and produce our own transport aircraft. I think this will only be possible if our workload in aviation decreases, at least we need to complete projects like Hürjet, Hürkuş, Atak2...

 

[Pokemonte13]

In the short term, we need to procure an A400M or other foreign transport aircraft, but in the long term, we need to convert an engine like the TF6000 to a turbofan and produce our own transport aircraft. I think this will only be possible if our workload in aviation decreases, at least we need to complete projects like Hürjet, Hürkuş, Atak2...

Wouldn’t make sense if we can buy transport aircraft development cost and time are to much to make it worthwhile and you can’t just turn a tf6000 into an worthy investment for cargo planes

 

[mTT]

In the short term, we need to procure an A400M or other foreign transport aircraft, but in the long term, we need to convert an engine like the TF6000 to a turbofan and produce our own transport aircraft. I think this will only be possible if our workload in aviation decreases, at least we need to complete projects like Hürjet, Hürkuş, Atak2...

I wonder what would have happened if we hadn't rejected the KC-390 joint design and production offer years ago.

 

[begturan]

Wouldn’t make sense if we can buy transport aircraft development cost and time are to much to make it worthwhile and you can’t just turn a tf6000 into an worthy investment for cargo planes

If we use the same infrastructure for regional passenger aircraft, why not? Also, considering that the probability of these aircraft being exported is very high, I think it would be a valuable investment.

 

[begturan]

I wonder what would have happened if we hadn't rejected the KC-390 joint design and production offer years ago.

I think we have done enough co-production and sub-licensing, isn't it time to stand on our own two feet?

 

[Sanchez]

F-16 B50+ with SOM, nice catch.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912579040818459110

 

[Fuzuli NL]

F-16 B50+ with SOM, nice catch.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912579040818459110

It is indeed a Block 50 F-16C.

F-16 Aircraft Database - Airframe Details for F-16 #07-1009 - F-16.net

www.f-16.net

 

[Sanchez]

It is indeed a Block 50 F-16C.

F-16 Aircraft Database - Airframe Details for F-16 #07-1009 - F-16.net

www.f-16.net

Well yes, there are no other 2007 registry aircraft. 30(-1) Block 50+s with CFT and spines for Ds are all 2007-08. This small bird is among our most modern fighters.

If I remember right, this might be the first ever photo of SOM with 50+. Possible that UBAS has had a hand in this SOM equation, but I don’t see any changes to the launcher. Also see SDT’s ACMI pod on wing edge pylon. Which would probably mean that this is not test but training.

 

[begturan]

Well yes, there are no other 2007 registry aircraft. 30(-1) Block 50+s with CFT and spines for Ds are all 2007-08. This small bird is among our most modern fighters.

If I remember right, this might be the first ever photo of SOM with 50+. Possible that UBAS has had a hand in this SOM equation, but I don’t see any changes to the launcher. Also see SDT’s ACMI pod on wing edge pylon. Which would probably mean that this is not test but training.

I think we had some prerequisites before procuring fighter jets from America. Integration of domestic ammunition into current and future fighter jets may be one of these prerequisites. Recently, the use of domestic ammunition in our current fleets seems to have increased.

 

[Samba]

I think we had some prerequisites before procuring fighter jets from America. Integration of domestic ammunition into current and future fighter jets may be one of these prerequisites. Recently, the use of domestic ammunition in our current fleets seems to have increased.

And we have paid some. Maybe this was for the software!?

 

[Pokemonte13]

I doubt we got access to the mission computer otherwise we wouldn’t have bought so much ammunition for them(we can use our own guidance kit by making it think it’s American) so probably no som or cakir integration

 

[mTT]

"Federal government stops Eurofighter export to Turkey"

Rüstung: Bundesregierung stoppt Eurofighter-Export an die Türkei

Die türkische Luftwaffe will mit dem Eurofighter ihre Kampfjet-Flotte modernisieren. Die Briten wollen liefern, doch die geschäftsführende Bundesregierung sperrt sich. Das könnte zum ersten Testfall für Rot-Grün werden.

www.handelsblatt.com

@Fuzuli NL @Pokemonte13 @Strong AI What does this news talk about?

 

[Pokemonte13]

That government will change in a few weeks, so we have to wait for the new one.

Let’s see if that makes a difference as it didn’t made one in the past
(ich glaube merz wird nicht so praktisch sein wie wir hoffen)

 

[Pokemonte13]

Interesting was that the general inspector Carsten Breuer visited TUSAŞ and aselsan. Maybe the military wants deeper cooperation with us after Repkon.

 

[Tuvan]

Rüstung: Bundesregierung stoppt Eurofighter-Export an die Türkei

Die türkische Luftwaffe will mit dem Eurofighter ihre Kampfjet-Flotte modernisieren. Die Briten wollen liefern, doch die geschäftsführende Bundesregierung sperrt sich. Das könnte zum ersten Testfall für Rot-Grün werden.

www.handelsblatt.com

Alman hükümeti Türkiye'ye Eurofighter satışını veto etti – DW – 18.04.2025

Handelsblatt gazetesi, İmamoğlu'nun tutuklanması nedeniyle Alman hükümetinin Türkiye'ye Eurofighter tipi savaş uçaklarının satışını engellediğini yazdı.

www.dw.com

Alman basını: Hükûmet, İmamoğlu'nun tutuklanması gerekçesiyle Türkiye'ye Eurofighter satışını engelledi | T24

Alman basını: Hükûmet, İmamoğlu'nun tutuklanması gerekçesiyle Türkiye'ye Eurofighter satışını engelledi

t24.com.tr

Germany vetoed Turkiye's Eurofighter acquisition amidst arrest of Ekrem Imamoglu

German government is changing in May 6 so they might change their policy again. I don't know

 

[Costin1984]

Rüstung: Bundesregierung stoppt Eurofighter-Export an die Türkei

Die türkische Luftwaffe will mit dem Eurofighter ihre Kampfjet-Flotte modernisieren. Die Briten wollen liefern, doch die geschäftsführende Bundesregierung sperrt sich. Das könnte zum ersten Testfall für Rot-Grün werden.

www.handelsblatt.com

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Alman basını: Hükûmet, İmamoğlu'nun tutuklanması gerekçesiyle Türkiye'ye Eurofighter satışını engelledi | T24

Alman basını: Hükûmet, İmamoğlu'nun tutuklanması gerekçesiyle Türkiye'ye Eurofighter satışını engelledi

t24.com.tr

Germany vetoed Turkiye's Eurofighter acquisition amidst arrest of Ekrem Imamoglu

German government is changing in May 6 so they might change their policy again. I don't know

They still need the SDP and the Greens in the new ruling coalition.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They still need the SDP and the Greens in the new ruling coalition.

Actually just spd and cdu they needed the greens for a constitutional change (debt brake) not for government