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[Saithan]

As long as we get them price doesn't matter

 

[Sanchez]

Marshall Aerospace secures C-130J support contract with Turkish Ministry of National Defence​

The Turkish Ministry of National Defence has awarded Marshall Aerospace a major contract to support its fleet of newly-acquired Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules aircraft.

The multi-year agreement covers entry into service and sustainment for all 12 aircraft to be operated by the Turkish Air Force, including scheduled maintenance, spares and tooling.

Marshall will also provide training to enable the customer to build up an indigenous capability on the C-130J platform....

In addition to the scheduled maintenance, Marshall will have completed centre wing box replacements on each of the 12 airframes prior to the aircraft entering into service with the Turkish Air Force.

Marshall Aerospace secures C-130J support contract with Turkish Ministry of National Defence - Marshall Group

The Turkish Ministry of National Defence has awarded Marshall Aerospace a major contract to support its fleet of newly-acquired Lockheed Martin C-130J Super …

marshallgroup.com

 

[Sanchez]

And the first family photo. I really do hope the refuel probes are retained; would be a good nice capability to have for spec ops missions.

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı ile Marshall Aerospace Arasında C-130J Uçakları için Bakım ve İdame Anlaşması İmzalandı

İngiltere merkezli Marshall Aerospace tarafından yapılan açıklamaya göre Milli Savunma Bakanlığı (MSB) ile Marshall Aerospace arasında, Türk Hava Kuvvetleri`nin İngiltere`den tedarik edeceği 12 adet ikinci el Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules uçağının bakım/idame hizmetleri için anlaşma...

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Fairon]

Wonder if we also consider the C27s after the C130Js? They use the same engine (different variants, though I'm not sure how different they are), we have good relations with Italy in the aviation sector, and they can reduce the C130's workload for loads that are just outside the C235's capacity but not worth using the C130 for.

 

[Sanchez]

Wonder if we also consider the C27s after the C130Js? They use the same engine (different variants, though I'm not sure how different they are), we have good relations with Italy in the aviation sector, and they can reduce the C130's workload for loads that are just outside the C235's capacity but not worth using the C130 for.

Sünnetçi wrote about a smaller aircraft to bridge the gap and replace some capability that will be lost with aging C-235s last year.

"The Turkish Air Force, which is closely interested in the C-130J Super Hercules Transport Aircraft, which will be decommissioned by the British Royal Air Force in 2023 in order to support the C-130BM/EM Fleet, sent a delegation to the UK to inspect the aircraft and held preliminary discussions on cooperation within the scope of the project. In the first phase, it is planned to transfer 8 C-130J-30 (C4, with extended fuselage) and 2 C-130J (C5, with standard length fuselage) Super Hercules Transport Aircraft from RAF stocks to the Turkish Air Force after undergoing the necessary maintenance, repair and overhaul procedures (FASBAT), Later on, the number of aircraft was revised as 12 (2 of which will be used as spare parts), all of which will be C-130J-30s, but the number of aircraft was re-determined as 10 aircraft (all long-body C-130J-30 versions) based on the airframe/structural condition of the aircraft. The contract was expected to be signed by the end of this year"

Air force as usual can't reach consensus, but C-130J deal is progressing well.

"The CN235s in the inventory are very worn out and have spare parts and sustainment problems. Some of them will undergo avionic modernization, some of them will be decommissioned in the future, perhaps they will be sold, and if the budget is available, they will be replaced by an estimated 20-25 new production C295 or C-27J aircraft. Of course, this will be realized on a 10-year timetable. In the first phase, 10 C-130Js are expected to be delivered between 2025 and 2027..."

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C-27 would be a good pick for the air force on engine alone, but C-295 also uses the same engine Navy ATRs do; so there's that as well.

Remembering this post, new C-130J number is given as 12. So the number is again increased to 12, or are the +2 still for spare? We don't know.

 

[Fairon]

Sünnetçi wrote about a smaller aircraft to bridge the gap and replace some capability that will be lost with aging C-235s last year.


C-27 would be a good pick for the air force on engine alone, but C-295 also uses the same engine Navy ATRs do; so there's that as well.

Remembering this post, new C-130J number is given as 12. So the number is again increased to 12, or are the +2 still for spare? We don't know.

Actually I am more leaning towards to mixed fleet with CN295 and C27. I think they will complement each other well. CN295 is longer but has less height, while the C27 is shorter but has greater height.(Also there is a slight MTOW difference as well) This could strengthens the air force’s hand when dealing with cargo of varying volumes with lower weights.

I've only written C27 because I think the Air Force wouldn't consider buying another aircraft after acquiring the C130J, and I tried to give myself hope by highlighting the C27 due to its engines

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/800231235389943808

Whats going on?

Look at the date...

 

[Pokemonte13]

Look at the date...

my bad

 

[Sanchez]

Per Bloomberg, Erdogan will directly mention the Qatari EFs during his visit.

Fatih is right to point out all three countries mentioned(Qatar, Kuwait, Oman) are EF users. Kuwait also have 3As.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1980576814356394423

 

[TheInsider]

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16-24 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters.

 

[boredaf]

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters.

This is embarrassing, they've turned us into Greece, begging for other countries' scraps. What's next, getting amphibious vehicles from US that drowned their marines?

 

[MonteCarlo]

I am not against the Qatari deal because we simply don't have the time to wait for the production lane but is buying second hand aircraft that is not even 5 years old really cheaper than buying brand new. I would have guessed that current global climate would make secondhand jets with quick delivery schedule more valuable

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16-24 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters

 

[Yasar_TR]

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I don’t know if this was posted here before. But according to this news piece the first Ozgur F16 that has Murad Aesa radar is now flying under tail no 87-0019.

The plan is to furnish all Block-30 aircraft with the Aesa radar (Ozgur-2 modernisation) during 2025 to 2027 time period. In addition to this by 2030 to have all Block 40 and 50 aircraft converted to Ozgur-2 status.

The decision to do this was taken and necessary agreements were signed in 2023 to provide parts to make it happen starting from 2025.

F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50’ler için ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi imzalandı

ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi resmen başlatıldı. Proje kapsamında Türk Hava Kuvvetleri envanterindeki F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50 uçakları modernize edilecek

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[TheInsider]

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I don’t know if this was posted here before. But according to this news piece the first Ozgur F16 that has Murad Aesa radar is now flying under tail no 87-0019.

The plan is to furnish all Block-30 aircraft with the Aesa radar (Ozgur-2 modernisation) during 2025 to 2027 time period. In addition to this by 2030 to have all Block 40 and 50 aircraft converted to Ozgur-2 status.

The decision to do this was taken and necessary agreements were signed in 2023 to provide parts to make it happen starting from 2025.

F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50’ler için ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi imzalandı

ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi resmen başlatıldı. Proje kapsamında Türk Hava Kuvvetleri envanterindeki F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50 uçakları modernize edilecek

www.savunmasanayist.com

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That news is spot on. The target is to upgrade all block 30-40-50 F-16s till the end of 2030. This includes weapons like Gökhan/Gökbora, air-launched gezgin, self-protection suite, and EW/Targeting pod integration. Basically, Özgür 2+ configuration.

 

[Sanchez]

Per Bloomberg, Erdogan will directly mention the Qatari EFs during his visit.

Fatih is right to point out all three countries mentioned(Qatar, Kuwait, Oman) are EF users. Kuwait also have 3As.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1980576814356394423

Reuters mentions that Turkey is looking at both Qatari and Omani EFs. My brainfreeze, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar all operate 3As, with ECRS MK0 AESA radars. Tranche 3A is the most modern EF flying today, mostly thanks to its AESA radar.

Bloomberg had mentioned 24+16 aircraft. Reuters mentions 12+28. Maybe 6 from Qatar, 6 from Oman; details are scant. Qatar have already ordered 12 T4 aircraft, while no Omani follow up yet exists.

I don't really think cost is the actual reason for seeking second hand aircraft; but timelines. A 3 year old Qatari EF won't be that cheaper; and again, real costs are in setting up the capability and maintaining it, not flyaway cost.

"For the Typhoons, Turkey is nearing a deal with Britain and other European countries in which it would promptly receive 12 of them, albeit used, from previous buyers Qatar and Oman to meet its immediate needs, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Eurofighter consortium members Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain would approve the second-hand sale proposal, in which they would provide Turkey with 28 new jets in coming years pending a final purchase agreement, the person said.
Erdogan is expected to discuss the proposal on visits to Qatar and Oman on Wednesday and Thursday, with jet numbers, pricing, and timelines the main issues.

Erdogan is then expected to host British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and German Chancellor Friedrich Merz later this month, when agreements could be sealed, sources say."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/turkey-pressing-western-fighter-jets-claw-back-regional-edge-2025-10-22/

 

[Zafer]

This whole shopping spree should turn into a Kaan sales boom going forward as today's sellers deserve it having handed over their fighters.

 

[Sanchez]

My brainfreeze, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar all operate 3As, with ECRS MK0 AESA radars

Correction: Omani EFs still use mechanical CAPTOR-Ms. Still very good radars; but not AESA; but with a future idea to upgrade them to ECRS Mk0

I wonder how would the fleet composition be with both Captor-Ms and Mk0 Captor-Es. With more funding, T3As as well as RAF T3s can be upgraded to future Mk2 ECRS; which was proposed in the past. New builds from UK line for TurAF will probably come with Mk2s.

So if Omani, Qatari and new built jets are received, we will have both Captor-M, and Mk0 and Mk2 Captor-Es. Could there be a future plan to upgrade Captor-M and Mk0s with Murad, that'd be interesting.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Correction: Omani EFs still use mechanical CAPTOR-Ms. Still very good radars; but not AESA; but with a future idea to upgrade them to ECRS Mk0

I wonder how would the fleet composition be with both Captor-Ms and Mk0 Captor-Es. With more funding, T3As as well as RAF T3s can be upgraded to future Mk2 ECRS; which was proposed in the past. New builds from UK line for TurAF will probably come with Mk2s.

So if Omani, Qatari and new built jets are received, we will have both Captor-M, and Mk0 and Mk2 Captor-Es. Could there be a future plan to upgrade Captor-M and Mk0s with Murad, that'd be interesting.

According to media sources, Omani Typhoons being Tranche-3 were programmed to upgrade to ECRS-MK2 radar.

If, somehow Türkiye manages to buy Qatari Typhoons and a quantity from Oman, then in due course as our new production Typhoons start to join the fleet, the older ones can be upgraded to ECRS-MK2 level. It may be prudent to include this possibility in the negotiations.
This is not a cheap exercise either. UK has an upgrade program for its around 40 Tranche-3 Typhoons at a cost of 2.35billion GBP. (approximately 50 to 60 million per plane as some of this cost involves development cost of fitting new radar to old planes).

Integrating local Murad Aesa radar would most likely involve extensive electronic parts change and prove to be prohibitively costly; apart from requiring source code access.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Correction: Omani EFs still use mechanical CAPTOR-Ms. Still very good radars; but not AESA; but with a future idea to upgrade them to ECRS Mk0

I wonder how would the fleet composition be with both Captor-Ms and Mk0 Captor-Es. With more funding, T3As as well as RAF T3s can be upgraded to future Mk2 ECRS; which was proposed in the past. New builds from UK line for TurAF will probably come with Mk2s.

So if Omani, Qatari and new built jets are received, we will have both Captor-M, and Mk0 and Mk2 Captor-Es. Could there be a future plan to upgrade Captor-M and Mk0s with Murad, that'd be interesting.

Still with 40 eurofighter we cant secure superiority in quantity nor quality . We need at least 100 eurofightets
- 40 new T4
- 24 T3 Qatari
- 12 T3 Omani
- 30 Used UK T1 ( we can upgrade or used for training .
For a country like Turkiye which look itself as world power or major regional power new 40 fighter are nothing , if u look those fake tiny Qatari, Oman , danmark , serbia croatia , finland are getting 40 fighter jets .
Turkiye MUST have at least 400 modern fighter jets .

 

[Zafer]

An unlimited number of Kızılelma and Anka3 can shift the balance of air power to our side in 3 years before any new foreign jet can be inducted.