TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Sanchez]

Some stuff were signed at highest level with no details.

If they did get agreements with one or two countries for their jets; I think those would still be announced after actual deal is signed with EF consortium.

Erdoğan, few minutes ago:

"Under the coordination of my Minister of National Defense, we have been discussing the purchase of Eurofighter fighter jets with our counterparts in Qatar and Oman for some time now. The negotiations we have been conducting on this matter, which involves many technical details, are progressing positively. One is Qatar, the other is Oman. I have also held these talks. My Defense Minister and Foreign Minister have also held these talks. They will continue these discussions in the coming period. We want to bring these talks to a swift conclusion and, God willing, strengthen our Air Force considerably. With the purchase of these aircraft, our Air Force will become much stronger."

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First official mention of Omani aircraft indeed being talked about. But again, only "talks". If an agreement was reached, expect finalization with the deal signed; not before. Export control and all that; won't be a thing before the real deal is signed.

More claims and talks. We had already talked about Starmer coming to Turkey this month; more details from Özbek:

British MoD and RAF chief along with BAE admins will be present. Not so tiny chance of a deal being reached then. Özbek claims Turkey wants the 24 Qatari EFs and the slots for the 12 T4s they ordered to be transferred to Turkey.

"The report stated that delivery of the Eurofighter aircraft is scheduled to begin next year, but that new F-16s are not expected to arrive in Turkey before 2030. This gap is considered a decisive factor in the Turkish Air Force's decision to turn to European-made aircraft to meet its urgent modernization needs."

İngiltere Başbakanı Türkiye’ye geliyor – Tolga Özbek

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[TheInsider]

There is too much speculation regarding this issue. There are a ton of numbers and scenarios.

 

[AlperTunga]

Oman EFs have Captor-M which is a mechanical radar installed in Tranch 3A. We should aim for Qatari ones with Captor-E AESA, unless an upgrade of the radar is not costly. 24 Qatari EF plus 40 new EFs should be the bridging goal. Otherwise they wont give us flexibility to integrate our own stuff and also from viewpoint of economics of operation. Pursuing F35 will only cost us more time, though we can still try after securing the EFs. But in addition and not as alternative.

 

[Ripley]

There is too much speculation regarding this issue. There are a ton of numbers and scenarios.

True. Many speculation.
Truth, though, always hunts you down.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1981646529334038599

Arda Mevlütoğlu:
“It is gratifying to see that the efforts we spent to acquire the second-hand version of a plane for which we received an invitation back in the day to become the fifth consortium member (and which we rejected) are beginning to bear fruit.”

OUCH!

 

[Yasar_TR]

Türkiye'ye 2 ülkeden 34 uçak: Eurofighter filosu geliyor

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin ilk etapta Katar'dan 24, Umman'dan 10 Eurofighter savaş uçağı alımında son aşamaya gelindi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

This site seems it knows best!!!

According to this site, Türkiye has more or less consolidated an agreement if last stage on the purchase of 24 Qatari and 10 Omani Typhoon jets is finalised.
According to this news Türkiye is choosing to purchase second hand jets in order to get possession of them quickly in place of some of the 40 planes they were to have manufactured.

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Türkiye'ye 2 ülkeden 34 uçak: Eurofighter filosu geliyor

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin ilk etapta Katar'dan 24, Umman'dan 10 Eurofighter savaş uçağı alımında son aşamaya gelindi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

This site seems it knows best!!!

According to this site, Türkiye has more or less consolidated an agreement if last stage on the purchase of 24 Qatari and 10 Omani Typhoon jets is finalised.
According to this news Türkiye is choosing to purchase second hand jets in order to get possession of them quickly in place of some of the 40 planes they were to have manufactured.

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

Those used 34 second hand jets are part of total 40 jet or not !
That mean Turkiye will buy 34 ısed jets + 40 new ones ?? Total 74 ?

 

[Khagan1923]

Türkiye'ye 2 ülkeden 34 uçak: Eurofighter filosu geliyor

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin ilk etapta Katar'dan 24, Umman'dan 10 Eurofighter savaş uçağı alımında son aşamaya gelindi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

This site seems it knows best!!!

According to this site, Türkiye has more or less consolidated an agreement if last stage on the purchase of 24 Qatari and 10 Omani Typhoon jets is finalised.
According to this news Türkiye is choosing to purchase second hand jets in order to get possession of them quickly in place of some of the 40 planes they were to have manufactured.

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

Oman only operates 12 EF Tranche 3A fighters. Why would they hand 10 of those over to us. I also believe they are not equipped with any AESA radar? Not sure though.

So Qatari EF have Captor-E (AESA) while Omani fly with Captor-M (MSA) . Huge difference.


This news makes no sense. Oman has no reason to hand over 30% of its Air Force to us and we have no reason in being interested in 10 year old EF which are not even equipped with AESA Radars.

The only other country whose EF would make sense for us are Kuwaits.

 

[Sanchez]

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

There are no viable 40 used aircraft to be had in the first place. It seems TurAF already ended any thoughts of T1s in numbers years ago. Maybe 1-5 test aircraft that won't be combat ready.

10 Omani Typhoon jets

Oman has no reason to hand over 30% of its Air Force to us and we have no reason in being interested in 10 year old EF which are not even equipped with AESA Radars

There are some talks of Omanis having issues with maintaining their EFs; which is interesting; because they already employ actual Brits to maintain and sometimes to fly them via Ex-RAF pilots. Unless they are strapped for money, how does that work? But regardless, if they are thinking about offloading them, what does keeping 2 aircraft for themselves achieve?

Omani T3As with their Captor-Ms are still very potent aircraft with now outdated tech; but still better than anything we have for A2A. And they can be modernized to have Captor-E.

That mean Turkiye will buy 34 ısed jets + 40 new ones ?? Total 74 ?

We don't know. One idea could be to gather all these Gulf EFs from these 3 countries, and the 12 Qatari T4 slots from BAE. But EF Consortium hardly earns anything in this plan. A Turkey with only used aircraft and half a squadron worth T4s would thinker with them heavily in 5 years.

One idea could be to get the Qatari T3As, send the Omani T3As to be modernized to BAE, and get the 12 Qatari T4 slots as well as some number of a fresh order. In such a plan, Qatari aircraft would come to Konya in 2026, modded Omani birds would start from mid-late 2027, and fresh builds from 2028.

I don't think idea is to just a total of 40 aircraft, we would see at least 50-60 in time.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Oman only operates 12 EF Tranche 3A fighters. Why would they hand 10 of those over to us. I also believe they are not equipped with any AESA radar? Not sure though.

So Qatari EF have Captor-E (AESA) while Omani fly with Captor-M (MSA) . Huge difference.


This news makes no sense. Oman has no reason to hand over 30% of its Air Force to us and we have no reason in being interested in 10 year old EF which are not even equipped with AESA Radars.

The only other country whose EF would make sense for us are Kuwaits.

We can equip Omani ones with our own AESA , just we need to buy them

 

[boredaf]

We can equip Omani ones with our own AESA , just we need to buy them

... It doesn't work like that. At all.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982173283937128951

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982173283937128951

So it's not all about the money ha!

 

[Ahlatshah]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982173283937128951

It is refreshing to see some realist decision making unfolding these days.

- F-16s are not enough to protect our skies against F15s or Rafales let alone F35s, even with AESA radars

- We need twin engines pure air superiority aircraft

- We cannot rely on neither single type of aircraft (F-16s) nor single country (USA)

- Kaan may very well be encounter some delaying problems

- There will be always engine procurement problems regarding KAAN, KE and ANKA 3, until our engines enter the serial production phase

- KE will be great (altough I am personally a strong believer towards it), but has a long way to go.

- Yes, it costs too much but in time of possible need, weak airforce costs everything

If these are the points (which can be easily increased), 20 or even 40 EFs would be inadequate to encounter our adversaries. If these recent news are true, 3 or 4 squadrons would be excellent.

 

[Azeri441]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982173283937128951

probably upgraded to T4?