TR Aircraft Carrier & Amphibious Ship Programs

[Mis_TR_Like]

One way or another, we need Kaan fighters for our future carriers. Hurjet won't cut it. There's no point building a full sized carrier just for it to carry light 4th gen jets... Sure, Anka 3 and Kızılelma offer some good capabilities, but we're still early in both the Kaan and AC programs, so there's plenty of time to work something out.. let's just hope it doesn't cause significant delays.

With that said, VTOL version of Kaan sounds like a dream

 

[uçuyorum]

One way or another, we need Kaan fighters for our future carriers. Hurjet won't cut it. There's no point building a full sized carrier just for it to carry light 4th gen jets... Sure, Anka 3 and Kızılelma offer some good capabilities, but we're still early in both the Kaan and AC programs, so there's plenty of time to work something out.. let's just hope it doesn't cause significant delays.

With that said, VTOL version of Kaan sounds like a dream

Maybe meant STOL?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Maybe meant STOL?

Not too sure, haven't watched it. But yeah VTOL would be a huge task, may as well work on a nuclear carrier with a catapult system... Unless TSK wants VTOL or STOL for other purposes too such as wartime runway shortages.

 

[KULAK]

I wonder how relevant extended horizontal platform carriers will be much beyond 2050? I've seen the Ford class that the US has already been building which is much larger than the Nimitz class , however China already is developing a hypersonic system that is about to make the carrier obsolete.
According to current information, China is believed to be developing a mysterious "space plane" sometimes referred to as the "Shenlong" (Divine Dragon), which could potentially be capable of firing weapons from space, (not to be confused with White Emperor, which is the country's sixth-gen fighter jet) this highlights China's advancements in aerospace technology. The "integrated space-air fighter" aims to perform in both atmospheric and near-space altitudes. However the exact details and capabilities of this craft (Divine Dragon) are not publicly known and remain highly classified; raising concerns about potential space militarization.

 

[Anmdt]

Retired Admiral Cihat Yaycı said that he knew that a naval variant of the KAAN, capable of vertical landing, being worked on to be evaluated in the next period. He starts the sentence like a wish, but he emphasizes several times that he knows it. Even if it's an evaluation phase right now, it's big news.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858955647980892517

(paşa hariçten gazel okumuyorsa büyük haber, foruma aktarırken hayli tereddütte kaldım)

VTOL Kaan sounds so unfeasible to me, the plane is huge and powered by two engines.
It could be only possible if at somepoint they decide to make single engine KAAN, in the later stages of project after navalizing Hürjet-C.

 

[chngr]

if F-14, Su-33, J-15 can...why not KAAN can carrier fighter

We need CATOBAR and Kaan Naval

 

[IC3M@N FX]

if F-14, Su-33, J-15 can...why not KAAN can carrier fighter

We need CATOBAR and Kaan Naval

With which money.....? This should have been done right from the start. The problem with making the Aircraft more compact is that the range and payload would have suffered. It makes more sense to rely on Hürjet, Kizilelma and Anka 3. After TAI KAAN 2036/37 you can develop a cost-effective single-jet multirole stealth aircraft that is absolutely optimized for efficiency and economy + with aircraft carrier compatibility.

 

[uçuyorum]

With which money.....? This should have been done right from the start. The problem with making the Aircraft more compact is that the range and payload would have suffered. It makes more sense to rely on Hürjet, Kizilelma and Anka 3. After TAI KAAN 2036/37 you can develop a cost-effective single-jet multirole stealth aircraft that is absolutely optimized for efficiency and economy + with aircraft carrier compatibility.

Yeah I don't expect a naval manned fighter before 2040s except for hürjet

 

[Sanchez]

French audio but also with other dub tracks including English and Turkish.

 

[Sanchez]

"Possible Start Date for the Construction of MUGEM is 2029"

"The National Aircraft Carrier Project (MUGEM) started this year with the Preliminary and Contract Design Directive given by the Turkish Naval Forces Command to the Design Project Office Directorate within the Naval Technical Command. The design and construction processes of the MUGEM Project are expected to take five years each, with the design to be completed in 2028, construction to start in 2029 and commissioning in 2034.

Preliminary and Contract Design is underway and all design processes, including detail design, will be completed within the next four years. In this process, it is possible that various differences may occur compared to the first design presented.

"It seems likely that the construction of the MUGEM will be carried out on the 202-meter-long, 38-meter-wide and 5-degree inclined slipway at the TGM Istanbul Shipyard Command, and that the construction of the MUGEM will begin after the launching of the TF-2000, which will start its construction on the same slipway in 2025."

MUGEM'in İnşası İçin Muhtemel Başlangıç Tarihi 2029

Milli Uçak Gemisi Projesi (MUGEM), bu yıl içerisinde Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı tarafından Deniz Teknik Komutanlığı bünyesinde bulunan Dizayn Proje Ofisi Müdürlüğüne verilen Ön ve Kontrat Dizayn Direktifi ile başladı. MUGEM Projesinde tasarım ile inşa süreçlerinin 5'er yıl sürmesi; 2028...

www.navalinsider.com

@Anmdt what do you think?

 

[Lool]

"Possible Start Date for the Construction of MUGEM is 2029"

"The National Aircraft Carrier Project (MUGEM) started this year with the Preliminary and Contract Design Directive given by the Turkish Naval Forces Command to the Design Project Office Directorate within the Naval Technical Command. The design and construction processes of the MUGEM Project are expected to take five years each, with the design to be completed in 2028, construction to start in 2029 and commissioning in 2034.

Preliminary and Contract Design is underway and all design processes, including detail design, will be completed within the next four years. In this process, it is possible that various differences may occur compared to the first design presented.

"It seems likely that the construction of the MUGEM will be carried out on the 202-meter-long, 38-meter-wide and 5-degree inclined slipway at the TGM Istanbul Shipyard Command, and that the construction of the MUGEM will begin after the launching of the TF-2000, which will start its construction on the same slipway in 2025."

MUGEM'in İnşası İçin Muhtemel Başlangıç Tarihi 2029

Milli Uçak Gemisi Projesi (MUGEM), bu yıl içerisinde Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı tarafından Deniz Teknik Komutanlığı bünyesinde bulunan Dizayn Proje Ofisi Müdürlüğüne verilen Ön ve Kontrat Dizayn Direktifi ile başladı. MUGEM Projesinde tasarım ile inşa süreçlerinin 5'er yıl sürmesi; 2028...

www.navalinsider.com

@Anmdt what do you think?

Wasnt the first steel cutting for the aircraft carrier next year?

 

[Sanchez]

Wasnt the first steel cutting for the aircraft carrier next year?

I think that's just ceremonial to show that it will happen and the political and bureaucratic backing is there. Preliminary design has just ended, there's nothing to build yet. I'm not sure if the above piece is correct about the construction schedule, but MUGEM won't start actual construction next year, that much I'm pretty much certain. TF2000 design was updated numerous times in the last 3 or so years, still hasn't started construction. MUGEM is a much larger challenge to design and to build.

To go on, we don't even know if say the Kızılelma or the naval flying wing Anka(4?) it will employ will have the same dimensions 5 years later. Nothing is set in stone for MUGEM yet, so we can't start building it realistically and burn money for nothing. Better to have a solid plan for it.

 

[Anmdt]

"Possible Start Date for the Construction of MUGEM is 2029"

"The National Aircraft Carrier Project (MUGEM) started this year with the Preliminary and Contract Design Directive given by the Turkish Naval Forces Command to the Design Project Office Directorate within the Naval Technical Command. The design and construction processes of the MUGEM Project are expected to take five years each, with the design to be completed in 2028, construction to start in 2029 and commissioning in 2034.

Preliminary and Contract Design is underway and all design processes, including detail design, will be completed within the next four years. In this process, it is possible that various differences may occur compared to the first design presented.

"It seems likely that the construction of the MUGEM will be carried out on the 202-meter-long, 38-meter-wide and 5-degree inclined slipway at the TGM Istanbul Shipyard Command, and that the construction of the MUGEM will begin after the launching of the TF-2000, which will start its construction on the same slipway in 2025."

MUGEM'in İnşası İçin Muhtemel Başlangıç Tarihi 2029

Milli Uçak Gemisi Projesi (MUGEM), bu yıl içerisinde Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı tarafından Deniz Teknik Komutanlığı bünyesinde bulunan Dizayn Proje Ofisi Müdürlüğüne verilen Ön ve Kontrat Dizayn Direktifi ile başladı. MUGEM Projesinde tasarım ile inşa süreçlerinin 5'er yıl sürmesi; 2028...

www.navalinsider.com

@Anmdt what do you think?

Article contains incorrect information, but nearly accurate for Aircraft Carrier's milestones. This is roughly what we may assume by rationale. And i honestly don't think we will be capable of finalizing detail design (or construction level design) by 2029. Best fit is completion of preliminary and contract design phases by 2029, commencing the construction after clearance of the Dry Dock (launching of TF-2000).

First of all, TF-2000 and Aircraft Carrier can't be built simultaneously. And TF-2000 will be in service 2032 (partially), and fully by 2035. Assume AC in service by 2040. Reasonable date considering finances and other technologies to develop, and also by 2040 all 4 TF-2000 will be in service.

Yet again, i wouldn't hesitate to call a construction in 2029 as ceremonial, we have a lot to mature through the AC design process. That is quite alien stuff to us and nowhere in the same class as LHD.

If so, the TF-2000's steel cut may be held together with TCG Trakya, however i heard little to none about the redesign process and i would be disappointed if it is all Spaniards doing the design work and not sharing any know-how or ToT. I expected some design offices within TR would take part in the redesign process and at least, acquire & own IP rights of the new design.

 

[Turkic]

TF-2000 ve Milli Uçak Gemisi için ilk sac kesimleri tamamlandı

Türkiye’nin deniz gücünü daha modern, etkili ve küresel ölçekte güçlü kılmayı hedefleyen projeler hız kesmeden ilerliyor.

gdh.digital

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874749747996553363

First steel cutting for MUGEM and TF-2000 has been made and construction of Milden is ongoing

 

[Fuzuli NL]

TF-2000 ve Milli Uçak Gemisi için ilk sac kesimleri tamamlandı

Türkiye’nin deniz gücünü daha modern, etkili ve küresel ölçekte güçlü kılmayı hedefleyen projeler hız kesmeden ilerliyor.

gdh.digital

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874749747996553363

First steel cutting for MUGEM and TF-2000 has been made and construction of Milden is ongoing

31 naval vessels being built in different stages at the same time. Quite impressive!

 

[2033]

Which aircraft will be used on the aircraft carrier? If it is for the Hürjet, it would be unnecessary. Unmanned aircrafts are still weak.

Will there be a naval version of Kaan? I think it is definitely not worth building an aircraft carrier for any aircraft other than the Kaan.

 

[B_A]

Which aircraft will be used on the aircraft carrier? If it is for the Hürjet, it would be unnecessary. Unmanned aircrafts are still weak.

Will there be a naval version of Kaan? I think it is definitely not worth building an aircraft carrier for any aircraft other than the Kaan.

it must be Kaan naval version or a same level thing.

If not,we should only build Anadolu class.

We shouldnt buy FA18 or Rafale or even MIG29K

 

[Turkic]

We will get F-35's at the end. Just like we got F-4's despite Cyprus. So it will be F-35's and Kızılelma's imo. AI's second leap in this decade is expected to happen in 2 years. AI will be able to command and control a war itself earlier than we expect. It's a matter of decides of decision makers then. (Seeing a naval Kaan would be nice tho)

 

[Hannibal]

Numbers going around saying aircraft carrier will take form by 2027, ready for the elections in 2028, anyone confirm or is it bullshit?

 

[Turkic]

Directorate of Comunnications shared an article from Chinese "The Paper"

Türkiye’nin büyük hırsla başlattığı MUGEM Uçak Gemisi Projesi (Çin)

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Cumhurbaşkanlığı İletişim Başkanlığı Resmî Sitesi

www.iletisim.gov.tr

Here is an important part (Google translated)

"Türkiye plans to equip the MUGEM class aircraft carrier with approximately 50 aircraft. The naval variant of Hürjet, developed by TAI, is being considered as the ship's main combat aircraft. Hürjet's poor performance may create difficulties in using the full capacity of this ship. However, unmanned aerial vehicles can compensate for this shortcoming."