TR Aircraft Carrier & Amphibious Ship Programs

[BalkanTurk90]

We should cancel Mugem since we dont habe 5gen manned fighter for it and concentrete all power om frigates , destroyers and submarines . All world is buiding army like no tomorrow , Japan buiding 23 New FFP Frigates 142 meter . We shpuld aslo bulid more . Another 8 bigger istanbul class and 12 Tf2000 destroyers is a must to protect Blue homeland amd not spent money on AC with drones

 

[Pokemonte13]

We should cancel Mugem since we dont habe 5gen manned fighter for it and concentrete all power om frigates , destroyers and submarines . All world is buiding army like no tomorrow , Japan buiding 23 New FFP Frigates 142 meter . We shpuld aslo bulid more . Another 8 bigger istanbul class and 12 Tf2000 destroyers is a must to protect Blue homeland amd not spent money on AC with drones

We don’t know how many ships navy wants or if it will start a new program. Mugem is not for the Defense of the Blue homeland but for force projection

 

[BalkanTurk90]

We don’t know how many ships navy wants or if it will start a new program. Mugem is not for the Defense of the Blue homeland but for force projection

A navy commander if i remember correctly or even Erdogan told that we will double the Navy .
And just 8 İstanbul and 8 Tf 2000 are not enough while we need to retire rusty 4 yavuz and 8 Perry class . thats 16 new , - 12 . Just 4 added Not double so thats why i said Cancel useless MUGEM and 8 useles Hisar and in their place buld more frigates & Destroyers .
İn modern warfare a enemy in one way or anothet will find a way and will attack your AC , putting thousends of sailors at rist & billions $ .
U aslo can Force projection with 12-16 TF 2000 . U can park 5 of them at enemy coast and bomb enemy all day & Night

 

[uçuyorum]

Mugem is not a priority but there is no reason to cancel it either. With çafrad, vls and KE / ANKA 3 it's a different capability. Do not think of it as equal of US /UK / FR / China carriers, it's its own thing

 

[AlperTunga]

We should cancel Mugem since we dont habe 5gen manned fighter for it and concentrete all power om frigates , destroyers and submarines . All world is buiding army like no tomorrow , Japan buiding 23 New FFP Frigates 142 meter . We shpuld aslo bulid more . Another 8 bigger istanbul class and 12 Tf2000 destroyers is a must to protect Blue homeland amd not spent money on AC with drones

I agree with you, we need more Istif frigates and TF2000 destroyers. But they won't cancel it, as it is sort of a prestige project. It may still be useful for places like Libya, Somalia etc. It is quite big for a drone carrier and has enough place, so instead of 32VLS they should consider 64 or even 96 such that it can better protect itself. The reason is we won't have sufficient number of war ships to protect it, so it should be largely self-sufficient.

 

[uçuyorum]

I agree with you, we need more Istif frigates and TF2000 destroyers. But they won't cancel it, as it is sort of a prestige project. It may still be useful for places like Libya, Somalia etc. It is quite big for a drone carrier and has enough place, so instead of 32VLS they should consider 64 or even 96 such that it can better protect itself. The reason is we won't have sufficient number of war ships to protect it, so it should be largely self-sufficient.

Well 32 VLS + 2-3 ciws should be enough for self protection. TF2000 needs that many VLS because that is its main armament. MUGEM's main armament is jet drones. You won't launch gezgin from it unlike destroyers. And it will likely stay farther away from threats.

 

[Sanchez]

And just 8 İstanbul and 8 Tf 2000 are not enough while we need to retire rusty 4 yavuz and 8 Perry class . thats 16 new , - 12 . Just 4 added Not double so thats why i said Cancel useless MUGEM and 8 useles Hisar and in their place buld more frigates & Destroyers .

If you look at it from VLS count, it's basically a 5x increase.

Navy currently have 96 VLS cells, it will have 560 once 8 Istifs and 4 TF2000s are delivered, and 944 if 4 more TF-2000s are delivered, 10x increase.

Add the 10 Hisars, and we will have enough ships to cover everywhere we need to be.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

If you look at it from VLS count, it's basically a 5x increase.

Navy currently have 96 VLS cells, it will have 560 once 8 Istifs and 4 TF2000s are delivered, and 944 if 4 more TF-2000s are delivered, 10x increase.

Add the 10 Hisars, and we will have enough ships to cover everywhere we need to be.

İ dont look like that , U should see the upgrade accroding the time VLS is modern tech that we use for now . Others like italy ,japan ,korea will aslo add more VLS .
What u gonna say in future when vls is outdated and replaced with laser weapon ? warship is warship and replaced with another warship doesnt matter whay u add or remove ...

 

[dBSPL]

Another topic that is not given enough importance in our media: breakthroughs will also be experienced within the air wing of the aircraft carrier group just like air defense systems and other naval-related industrial. Multiple variants will be developed based on two main types (KE and ANKA) of turbofan-powered UCAVs. Variants will be created based on at least one main type of turbodiesel MALE UCAV. And at least one main type of manned light attack/air control/training jet aircraft will be developed, which will definitely lay the groundwork for the creation of a new generation of stealth manned jet in the coming decades. On the rotary wing side, a medium/heavy class utility/multi-mission helicopter is also being developed. In addition, at least one main type of rotary wing tactical UAV system will also be included. In addition to all this, the navalization of Gökbey is also being discussed. With 6/8 main aircraft types, this represents a domestic industrial breakthrough that will fully meet the needs of naval aviation ship-based air platforms.

The Turkish aviation industry's capacity to meet the air group needs of the naval forces, in addition to the air force and land forces, could place it at the forefront of the elite class, just behind the military aviation superpowers of the US and China. The fact that the gap with traditional European military aviation industry centers is closing so rapidly in this field is an incredible achievement. (In fact, we are starting to take lead of them in some specific areas)

What really excites me about the aircraft carrier program is that it represents the beginning of a full-scale naval aviation industry. Ofc then there are the TF-2000 arsenals. Hehe.

 

[boredaf]

The Turkish aviation industry's capacity to meet the air group needs of the naval forces, in addition to the air force and land forces, could place it at the forefront of the elite class, just behind the military aviation superpowers of the US and China.

Or, more realistically, it could leave us short on all three branches, as has been the case for a long time now. Committing all these capital and resources into something that isn't something fundamentally necessary for us is just wasteful.

Most of the stuff this thing is going to require doesn't even exist yet, we are planning to put a bloody trainer on it and we don't even have the ships to form a carrier group around it without leaving us short on our own shores even with all the planned ships we have. Hell, we don't even have the necessary things to operate Anadolu properly, nor do we have an actual mission for it! It is a fucking floating fair display right now.

Entire thing is masturbatory help, so that it can be said that we have an aircraft carrier. If we actually had people who cared for the country all the material and manpower resources and money could've been used for things we need far more than an aircraft carrier that is going to get stuck in the bloody Mediterranean the second if Egypt or Western countries turns on us.