TR Aircraft Carrier & Amphibious Ship Programs

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961084291305120131

National Carrier

10,000 nautical mile range: “Our national aircraft carrier will be able to travel to New York and return without refueling.”

40 MW electrical power: Energy capacity equivalent to 3,000 homes.

ÇAFRAD radar: 750 km range, to be integrated into the ship.

32-cell national Vertical Launch System: Air defense + attack capability.

Electronic warfare and sonar systems: Features not found on many aircraft carriers around the world.

Survivability concept: Low radar signature, blast-resistant design.

I'm guessing the large power generation is for future needs

 

[Gemn]

I'm guessing the large power generation is for future needs

This much energy is probably intended for the magnetic catapult system. In the future, a magnetic catapult will be developed, and aircraft will be launched using this catapult. In fact, for this reason, the front ramp has been made modular so that it can be dismantled once the magnetic catapult is built.

 

[mTT]

"The installed power of our National Aircraft Carrier is 40 MW"

⚓️Milli Engineer First Lieutenant Burhan Savran, in charge of the aircraft carrier:

"We calculate the capacity and number of generators needed to supply all these loads redundantly by analysing the load and power. As a result of the calculations and analyses made in this direction, the installed power of our national aircraft carrier is 40 MW. This value is also approximately 3 thousand times the electrical power we need in our homes. In other words, our ship has the capacity to supply 3 thousand houses at the same time on the basis of installed power."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961309709270446172

 

[Zafer]

If the MUGEM can be fitted with an EMALS in the future it can still be an effective platform despite not being nuclear powered. EMALS gives the high launch throughput and enables planes to be used to their full potential. The only capability it will lack will be long range, unless it has to travel to the Americas or the far east it will possibly be self sufficient not requiring a big refueling support.

 

[Sanchez]

I believe Navy is adequately sane on the matter and not rushing the project to catch up with a schedule.

Still think the same?

"Commander of the Istanbul Naval Shipyard, Rear Admiral Erdinç Yetkin, revealed the MUGEM (Milli Uçak Gemisi or National Aircraft Carrier) is set to be launched around 2027–2028"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961331107804144016

 

[Khagan1923]

Still think the same?

"Commander of the Istanbul Naval Shipyard, Rear Admiral Erdinç Yetkin, revealed the MUGEM (Milli Uçak Gemisi or National Aircraft Carrier) is set to be launched around 2027–2028"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961331107804144016

Funny how this coincides with the next pre-election, election. Hilarious bad attempt at propaganda.

Anyone who thinks these are serious dates, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[boredaf]

We could have a Trakya that is purpose built for drones, especially Anka-3 and KE, but nope, we have to have an aircraft carrier that we don't have the planes for, nor do we have the ships to form a carrier group for. We could get so fucking much with the money we are going to waste on this vanity project it is fucking depressing.

 

[Zafer]

By the time MUGEM comes online every other element that should go along with it will most likely already be operational, I would say including the EMALS system. Going for less is utterly backwards thinking.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

We should cancel Mugem since we dont habe 5gen manned fighter for it and concentrete all power om frigates , destroyers and submarines . All world is buiding army like no tomorrow , Japan buiding 23 New FFP Frigates 142 meter . We shpuld aslo bulid more . Another 8 bigger istanbul class and 12 Tf2000 destroyers is a must to protect Blue homeland amd not spent money on AC with drones

 

[Pokemonte13]

We should cancel Mugem since we dont habe 5gen manned fighter for it and concentrete all power om frigates , destroyers and submarines . All world is buiding army like no tomorrow , Japan buiding 23 New FFP Frigates 142 meter . We shpuld aslo bulid more . Another 8 bigger istanbul class and 12 Tf2000 destroyers is a must to protect Blue homeland amd not spent money on AC with drones

We don’t know how many ships navy wants or if it will start a new program. Mugem is not for the Defense of the Blue homeland but for force projection

 

[BalkanTurk90]

We don’t know how many ships navy wants or if it will start a new program. Mugem is not for the Defense of the Blue homeland but for force projection

A navy commander if i remember correctly or even Erdogan told that we will double the Navy .
And just 8 İstanbul and 8 Tf 2000 are not enough while we need to retire rusty 4 yavuz and 8 Perry class . thats 16 new , - 12 . Just 4 added Not double so thats why i said Cancel useless MUGEM and 8 useles Hisar and in their place buld more frigates & Destroyers .
İn modern warfare a enemy in one way or anothet will find a way and will attack your AC , putting thousends of sailors at rist & billions $ .
U aslo can Force projection with 12-16 TF 2000 . U can park 5 of them at enemy coast and bomb enemy all day & Night

 

[uçuyorum]

Mugem is not a priority but there is no reason to cancel it either. With çafrad, vls and KE / ANKA 3 it's a different capability. Do not think of it as equal of US /UK / FR / China carriers, it's its own thing

 

[AlperTunga]

We should cancel Mugem since we dont habe 5gen manned fighter for it and concentrete all power om frigates , destroyers and submarines . All world is buiding army like no tomorrow , Japan buiding 23 New FFP Frigates 142 meter . We shpuld aslo bulid more . Another 8 bigger istanbul class and 12 Tf2000 destroyers is a must to protect Blue homeland amd not spent money on AC with drones

I agree with you, we need more Istif frigates and TF2000 destroyers. But they won't cancel it, as it is sort of a prestige project. It may still be useful for places like Libya, Somalia etc. It is quite big for a drone carrier and has enough place, so instead of 32VLS they should consider 64 or even 96 such that it can better protect itself. The reason is we won't have sufficient number of war ships to protect it, so it should be largely self-sufficient.

 

[uçuyorum]

I agree with you, we need more Istif frigates and TF2000 destroyers. But they won't cancel it, as it is sort of a prestige project. It may still be useful for places like Libya, Somalia etc. It is quite big for a drone carrier and has enough place, so instead of 32VLS they should consider 64 or even 96 such that it can better protect itself. The reason is we won't have sufficient number of war ships to protect it, so it should be largely self-sufficient.

Well 32 VLS + 2-3 ciws should be enough for self protection. TF2000 needs that many VLS because that is its main armament. MUGEM's main armament is jet drones. You won't launch gezgin from it unlike destroyers. And it will likely stay farther away from threats.

 

[Sanchez]

And just 8 İstanbul and 8 Tf 2000 are not enough while we need to retire rusty 4 yavuz and 8 Perry class . thats 16 new , - 12 . Just 4 added Not double so thats why i said Cancel useless MUGEM and 8 useles Hisar and in their place buld more frigates & Destroyers .

If you look at it from VLS count, it's basically a 5x increase.

Navy currently have 96 VLS cells, it will have 560 once 8 Istifs and 4 TF2000s are delivered, and 944 if 4 more TF-2000s are delivered, 10x increase.

Add the 10 Hisars, and we will have enough ships to cover everywhere we need to be.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

If you look at it from VLS count, it's basically a 5x increase.

Navy currently have 96 VLS cells, it will have 560 once 8 Istifs and 4 TF2000s are delivered, and 944 if 4 more TF-2000s are delivered, 10x increase.

Add the 10 Hisars, and we will have enough ships to cover everywhere we need to be.

İ dont look like that , U should see the upgrade accroding the time VLS is modern tech that we use for now . Others like italy ,japan ,korea will aslo add more VLS .
What u gonna say in future when vls is outdated and replaced with laser weapon ? warship is warship and replaced with another warship doesnt matter whay u add or remove ...

 

[dBSPL]

Another topic that is not given enough importance in our media: breakthroughs will also be experienced within the air wing of the aircraft carrier group just like air defense systems and other naval-related industrial. Multiple variants will be developed based on two main types (KE and ANKA) of turbofan-powered UCAVs. Variants will be created based on at least one main type of turbodiesel MALE UCAV. And at least one main type of manned light attack/air control/training jet aircraft will be developed, which will definitely lay the groundwork for the creation of a new generation of stealth manned jet in the coming decades. On the rotary wing side, a medium/heavy class utility/multi-mission helicopter is also being developed. In addition, at least one main type of rotary wing tactical UAV system will also be included. In addition to all this, the navalization of Gökbey is also being discussed. With 6/8 main aircraft types, this represents a domestic industrial breakthrough that will fully meet the needs of naval aviation ship-based air platforms.

The Turkish aviation industry's capacity to meet the air group needs of the naval forces, in addition to the air force and land forces, could place it at the forefront of the elite class, just behind the military aviation superpowers of the US and China. The fact that the gap with traditional European military aviation industry centers is closing so rapidly in this field is an incredible achievement. (In fact, we are starting to take lead of them in some specific areas)

What really excites me about the aircraft carrier program is that it represents the beginning of a full-scale naval aviation industry. Ofc then there are the TF-2000 arsenals. Hehe.

 

[boredaf]

The Turkish aviation industry's capacity to meet the air group needs of the naval forces, in addition to the air force and land forces, could place it at the forefront of the elite class, just behind the military aviation superpowers of the US and China.

Or, more realistically, it could leave us short on all three branches, as has been the case for a long time now. Committing all these capital and resources into something that isn't something fundamentally necessary for us is just wasteful.

Most of the stuff this thing is going to require doesn't even exist yet, we are planning to put a bloody trainer on it and we don't even have the ships to form a carrier group around it without leaving us short on our own shores even with all the planned ships we have. Hell, we don't even have the necessary things to operate Anadolu properly, nor do we have an actual mission for it! It is a fucking floating fair display right now.

Entire thing is masturbatory help, so that it can be said that we have an aircraft carrier. If we actually had people who cared for the country all the material and manpower resources and money could've been used for things we need far more than an aircraft carrier that is going to get stuck in the bloody Mediterranean the second if Egypt or Western countries turns on us.

 

[mTT]

MUGEM INDIFENOUS AIRCRAFT CARRIER

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968244781454381502

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1968244781454381502

They are showing the information card and then contradicting it by saying Kaan will be used on it.