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This design was shared around a few times on twitter today, probably will be shared here soon as well; so better to get ahead of it.
This is Navtek's CATOBAR design from 2023. It's not new, and we don't know if DPO entertained the idea of a CATOBAR carrier in 2023.

 

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According to this information the MUGEM will be protected by 2/3 Destroyers, 3/2 frigates and couple of MILDEN subs. Also in terms of self protection it will have a 32 cell VLS, 4 x Gokdeniz CWIS and 7 x RCWS guns. (Hopefully - although not mentioned but shown - a couple of GOKSUR point defence systems as well)

In terms of aircraft it seems like there will be Hurjets, KE and Anka-3 drones. But this carrier will need Seahawk Class helicopters for assault and ASW for protection too. Plus heavy lift multi purpose helicopters that are sea worthy.
Hurjet with twin seats and KEs and Anka-3s will be good to work together. As Hurjets will not be stealthy, what they lack in this area can be compensated to a degree by the two stealthy drones.

But a lot of systems and equipment mentioned here is either not ready or non existent yet. Some of them can be summarised as :

1. MUGEM really needs a commensurate aircraft that will do it justice. Currently there is nothing.
2. All aircraft engines and aircrafts themselves will have to be navalised.
3. MUGEM needs a tried and tested Arrester Wire system for the aircrafts it will operate. This means that the system will have to be suitable for a 5-6 ton drone and a 10-12 ton fighter jet. (Whereas EMALS can vary weights it can handle, hydraulic systems are usually not very forgiving with wide weight tolerances)
4. Many of the self protection systems and naval ships are not ready yet. Some of them are still on paper. By the time MUGEM is ready, there will be more supersonic and hypersonic AShMs and ballistic AShMs around. Self protection will have to cover these too.
5. If Hurjet is to be used as manned aircraft, then it needs a bigger wing area with a more powerful engine like f414 or EJ200 to give it better lift and higher load capability (F35C has 45% more wing area than F35A - 62.1m2 vs 42.7m2). But these engines will have to be navalised too. (Preferably an indigenous engine will be the right way to go. But that also needs money and time)

TCG Anadolu is almost a third of this ship. It’s first steel cutting was in April 2016. It joined the Navy in April 2023 with many equipment still missing. This was in-spite of the technical help we received from Navantia. MUGEM is a different and more complex ship. Being operational can take as long as 2040 or more.
 

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But this carrier will need Seahawk Class helicopters for assault and ASW for protection too. Plus heavy lift multi purpose helicopters that are sea worthy.
What are the chances in getting cooperation from Leonardo (Agusta/Westland) to convert some T925s to an ASW/ASuW chopper from their experience with Lynx/Wildcat?
Since we're in very good terms with Italy regarding defence industry matters.

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We're capable of manufacturing the radar, avionics, E/O, mission computer, weapon systems and ordnance etc.
We're not there yet with making them seaworthy albeit some AH-1s were modified to an extent.

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What are the chances in getting cooperation from Leonardo (Agusta/Westland) to convert some T925s to an ASW/ASuW chopper from their experience with Lynx/Wildcat?
Since we're in very good terms with Italy regarding defence industry matters.

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We're capable of manufacturing the radar, avionics, E/O, mission computer, weapon systems and ordnance etc.
We're not there yet with making them seaworthy albeit some AH-1s were modified to an extent.

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AH-1s are navalized by their nature.

TAI of 2010 is very different from TAI of 2026. This is nothing they can't handle themselves with support from Havelsan
 

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What are the chances in getting cooperation from Leonardo (Agusta/Westland) to convert some T925s to an ASW/ASuW chopper from their experience with Lynx/Wildcat?
Since we're in very good terms with Italy regarding defence industry matters.

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We're capable of manufacturing the radar, avionics, E/O, mission computer, weapon systems and ordnance etc.
We're not there yet with making them seaworthy albeit some AH-1s were modified to an extent.

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Bro, Our problem is the engine for the ASW helicopter and the T925.
With the Ukranian engine the helicopter is not really what the Navy wants. If we had the engine, we would have the rest anyway.
Italians and the British use SNECMA engines. We wouldn’t want French engines.
Navy has given an order for 56 Gokbey helicopters. They could be used for ASW if navalised. But they are no replacement for a Seahawk.

By the way, if I remember correctly we bought those Süper Cobra helicopters from US Marines. So they came in already navalised.
 

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What are the chances in getting cooperation from Leonardo (Agusta/Westland) to convert some T925s to an ASW/ASuW chopper from their experience with Lynx/Wildcat?
Since we're in very good terms with Italy regarding defence industry matters.
T-925 is the only domestically produced alternative for needs such as amphibious landing and personnel transport, logistics, and VERTREP, as well as heavier class ASW/ASuW, also wide area surveillance - early warning helicopters needs. But as example like Lynx Wildcat (AW159), T-625 Gökbey is already in production and sufficiently mature so can be configure for more tactical missions and general surface and underwater combatant, and even as a fire support operations, could actually form a navalized helicopter configuration much earlier.

If the Gökbey were to be used as the basis for a navalized project, its weight of approximately 6 tons would allow it to be deployed on almost all naval platforms. In its standard configuration, it could achieve an endurance of up to 4 hours, which could be extended to 5 hours with external tanks. With its low maintenance and initial acquisition costs, it could be ordered in much larger numbers. Its lower noise and vibration profile, along with its dimensions providing a rapid reaction and mobility advantage, can be a highly valuable ASW helicopter. In short, it's versatile, economical, can land on any ship, and can meet very specific needs such as ASW/ASuW, SAR, VERTREP (albeit limited), AMCM (Airborne Mine Countermeasures), MEDEVAC (Medical Evacuation), MIO (Maritime Surveillance Operation), and even OTHT. And this helicopter could be ready for production at least a few years before the T925.

On the naval side, our biggest advantage is that almost all weapon systems and avionics to be integrated into this type of helicopter are ready or already in the naval forces' inventory. The real work is navalization of platform and system integration.
 

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T-925 is the only domestically produced alternative for needs such as amphibious landing and personnel transport, logistics, and VERTREP, as well as heavier class ASW/ASuW, also wide area surveillance - early warning helicopters needs. But as example like Lynx Wildcat (AW159), T-625 Gökbey is already in production and sufficiently mature so can be configure for more tactical missions and general surface and underwater combatant, and even as a fire support operations, could actually form a navalized helicopter configuration much earlier.

If the Gökbey were to be used as the basis for a navalized project, its weight of approximately 6 tons would allow it to be deployed on almost all naval platforms. In its standard configuration, it could achieve an endurance of up to 4 hours, which could be extended to 5 hours with external tanks. With its low maintenance and initial acquisition costs, it could be ordered in much larger numbers. Its lower noise and vibration profile, along with its dimensions providing a rapid reaction and mobility advantage, can be a highly valuable ASW helicopter. In short, it's versatile, economical, can land on any ship, and can meet very specific needs such as ASW/ASuW, SAR, VERTREP (albeit limited), AMCM (Airborne Mine Countermeasures), MEDEVAC (Medical Evacuation), MIO (Maritime Surveillance Operation), and even OTHT. And this helicopter could be ready for production at least a few years before the T925.

On the naval side, our biggest advantage is that almost all weapon systems and avionics to be integrated into this type of helicopter are ready or already in the naval forces' inventory. The real work is navalization of platform and system integration.
Thanks, mate! Very helpful insight.

PS:
OTHT = Over-the-horizon targeting
VERTREP = Vertical Replenishment
 
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