As a back up plan Hürjet can be flown from the Anadolu but landed on a short airstrip equipped with cable system. Hürjet can then be ferried back to the Anadolu on a warship having a helicopter deck. I am not sure if this can work at all but there maybe occasions that it may be useful. Short airstrips having arresting cables can be prepared in a multitude of locations easily both in Turkey and overseas. Or any suitable tarmac or semi-prepared strip can be fitted with quick deployable arresting gear and Hürjet can either be flow from or can be trucked from such small strips.
Yes, it is possible but not "feasible" my negative comments arise from the feasibility point of view;Many times I have said this is possible. But each time somebody came up with a negative comment. Now top man in Tusas is mentioning it.
I fully agree with most of what you have mentioned in your article. TCG Anadolu‘s best chance as an “aircraft carrier” is with F35B.Yes, it is possible but not "feasible" my negative comments arise from the feasibility point of view;
I have explain why in several posts regarding to;
iare making it all "not feasible" to convert TCG Anadolu into a conventional Aircraft Carrier. Moreover loosing pure LHD/LHA capabilities in favor of an Aircraft carrier conversion is not really a good idea as well. Considering the regions which Turkish Navy is deployed LHA/LHD roles are pretty much needed and Turkish Navy prioritizes this.
- operational efficiency (impossible for simultaneous take off and landing,moreover placement of elevators are not efficient for that purpose too),
- narrow runway with a close island on side,
- stern elevator and stern -lowered poop-deck
If they scrap LHD efficiency of TCG Anadolu and rush into converting and modifying it even before than Turkish Navy uses and gains experience on the platform for political reasons, i will not really have "naive" thoughts but i will be assured this was happening for pure political reasons and not for good.
However, after completing/maturing TF-2000 then we can start to talk about the aircraft carrier even before talking about a navalized Hurjet we should have been talking about a solid air-defense platform to protect the flotilla. I am pretty sure Turkish Navy wouldn't tell " nope" to an Aircraft carrier if they were asked whether they want one. If you have asked them, they wouldn't neither decline F-35B on TCG Anadolu at this stage.
The reason why TCG Anadolu is being referred for aircraft carrier subject is because it is the only available platform at the moment and the second ship is neither decided or in contract stage. And this has some political stand point.
Once the second ship is decided and named,we will hear people will refer to "TCG XXXX" for aircrafts to take off and land, not "TCG Anadolu".
TCG Anadolu will be LHD/LHA and a tactical drone carrier, if F-35B somehow happens then "creme de la creme" -- will be fully operational by 2025.
TCG XXXX will be the actual aircraft carrier designed from scratch for that role with 2 runways to operate in STOBAR to operate drones and fighters -- will be operational not before than 2030 (considering the budget, completion of navalized fighter, training of pilots, experiencing naval aviation.
At this stage, without even the navalized version of Hurjet emerging and rolled out, it is illogical to start a conversion of TCG Anadolu. I think first Hurjet Training version will be completed in short time, then a combat version to fill the gap for airforce will be certified for military uses and finally a navalized version may appear. Also with MMU on the platter,i don't think these will be happening before 2027-2028.
With or without Hurjet, the plans for aircraft carrier will be only logical post 2030.
Simultaneous here does not refer to planes taking off and landing at the same time but when one plane comes down and hooked succesfully, another plane can attached to catapult and launched without waiting it to be removed:As to landing and taking off simultaneously; It is out of the question. But for a “carrier” with 6-8 planes (even 12 planes) you do not really need simultaneous operations. Alternate landing and taking off can be utilised. Larger carriers with 30-60 planes has to have dual runways to accommodate simultaneous landing and take off.
i was crucified in defence.pk when i offered it.Yes, it is possible but not "feasible" my negative comments arise from the feasibility point of view;
I have explain why in several posts regarding to;
iare making it all "not feasible" to convert TCG Anadolu into a conventional Aircraft Carrier. Moreover loosing pure LHD/LHA capabilities in favor of an Aircraft carrier conversion is not really a good idea as well. Considering the regions which Turkish Navy is deployed LHA/LHD roles are pretty much needed and Turkish Navy prioritizes this.
- operational efficiency (impossible for simultaneous take off and landing,moreover placement of elevators are not efficient for that purpose too),
- narrow runway with a close island on side,
- stern elevator and stern -lowered poop-deck
If they scrap LHD efficiency of TCG Anadolu and rush into converting and modifying it even before than Turkish Navy uses and gains experience on the platform for political reasons, i will not really have "naive" thoughts but i will be assured this was happening for pure political reasons and not for good.
However, after completing/maturing TF-2000 then we can start to talk about the aircraft carrier even before talking about a navalized Hurjet we should have been talking about a solid air-defense platform to protect the flotilla. I am pretty sure Turkish Navy wouldn't tell " nope" to an Aircraft carrier if they were asked whether they want one. If you have asked them, they wouldn't neither decline F-35B on TCG Anadolu at this stage.
The reason why TCG Anadolu is being referred for aircraft carrier subject is because it is the only available platform at the moment and the second ship is neither decided or in contract stage. And this has some political stand point.
Once the second ship is decided and named,we will hear people will refer to "TCG XXXX" for aircrafts to take off and land, not "TCG Anadolu".
TCG Anadolu will be LHD/LHA and a tactical drone carrier, if F-35B somehow happens then "creme de la creme" -- will be fully operational by 2025.
TCG XXXX will be the actual aircraft carrier designed from scratch for that role with 2 runways to operate in STOBAR to operate drones and fighters -- will be operational not before than 2030 (considering the budget, completion of navalized fighter, training of pilots, experiencing naval aviation.
At this stage, without even the navalized version of Hurjet emerging and rolled out, it is illogical to start a conversion of TCG Anadolu. I think first Hurjet Training version will be completed in short time, then a combat version to fill the gap for airforce will be certified for military uses and finally a navalized version may appear. Also with MMU on the platter,i don't think these will be happening before 2027-2028.
With or without Hurjet, the plans for aircraft carrier will be only logical post 2030.
Like Galileoi was crucified in defence.pk when i offered it.
It is good to make studies and see the possibilities. Modifications can be made when there is a presssing necessity to do so. I guess initially TCG Anadolu can be used for tactical class UAV operations and once a necessity comes up modifications can be made to upgrade the capabilities of the ship. Mind you helicopters can for the most part be flown from the backs of smaller ships vacating TCG Andolu for jet fighter and UAV operations. Also provisions can be made to fly tactical UAVs from the back of smaller ships to be landed on Anadolu if necessary.HÜRJET'te sevindirici haber: Dikey iniş kalkış özelliği kazandırılıyor!
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Hürjet capable of VTOL mentioned by Ismail Demir.
I know conditions/need change and our defence industry must adapt to the changes/needs. I would be really sorry to see Storm P makeshift changes to built platforms unless we're entering war. I see such changes as being waste of money and reduces lifetime of the platforms.
I will not get excited or overjoyed based on palavra. Hürjet is a must I don't care if it can land on LHD, or AC. Building our own fighter jets will be a big enough step in itself to offset the balance, even if it's a Light Jet.
If you need reason to spend more money to keep the capital flow high, then build more Naval Vessels. I don't mind if TN grows. If we have 10 ekstra Ada class then that means our TN personnelle doesn't have to break records.
You mean STOVL?Bence VTOL olamaz, VSTOL belki
VSTOL has its own meaning which is different than the STOVLYou mean STOVL?
Very Short Take-off & Landing! =. VSTOLYou mean STOVL?
No VSTOL is very short take off and landingYou mean STOVL?
Actually real acronym of VSTOL is Verical/Short Take-off & Landing. Harrier jump jet is VSTOL.No VSTOL is very short take off and landing
STOVL is short take off Vertical landing
Hurjet cannot do vertical landing with some modifications, the design has to change from scratch. A complete new design aircraft would be needed.
I do not know if it is possible though to modify the Hurjet into very short take off and landing. (the landing part could be modified by larger wing area to creat enough lift of for slow speeds and arresting hook to capture the aircraft)
the very short Lift of can maybe also accomplished (again larger wing area for lift of at slower speeds)