TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Hasanrize]

This tank won't be ready before 2026.
The South Korean transmission made by SNT Dynamics (EST15K) failed to run more than 7600km. It needs to run 9600km like most German transmissions. It failed South Korean durability tests and the transmission was rejected and went back to development. It will most likely also fail Turkish tests.

SNT Dynamics said they've fixed and improved it and will be ready for 2023-2024 production year. Turkish military is not testing this new version.

Let's say its 2023 and they've finished testing the current transmission, and then another 2 years testing the new SK transmission and then maybe you got something 2025-2026.

Best option is to upgrade Leopard 2A4s until this comes around.

Even 7000km should be acceptable compared to no tank, which is 0 km.

I think using it for now in the first batch and then upgrading it with a newer version or BMC transmission (if it ever comes out) would be a reasonable choice. It is going to be a little more expensive but much better than using old M60s no matter how many times we modernise them.

 

[Timur]

You should know, that in Germany are two parties related to Türkiye. One will go with Türkiye and deepen ties. The other one will cut ties with Türkiye. In other words, Otokar is/ or could be a partner of Germany. BMC not.

thats just childish logic.. the country that did not want to sell you 1000 tanks will not provide engines..

thats why:
you can hope on green party to get your engines... I wouldnt even use one brain cell to think about this
you can hope on CDU for your engines .. yes its obvious that you could get it only in your dreams these christian anti türks would love to see your effort and let you stay in the end with nothing
you can bet on AFD .. yeah they are easier than the green party to get an engine but still no hope
spd yes they could sell but there is one thing that says never ever! and that is that spd is bound to green party and this means forget it


there is no way germany will allow you to use their engines against their kurdish project and as an alternative to leo 2 ... they wont harm their own products! I dont get how people can even think another firm could get the engines and transmission from germany..

it is because of you and your planned product


the biggest mistake I was complaining years before is when altay was planned turkey should also begin their engine project! and this also means reverse Engineering the leo engine.. WTF do politicians think? if someone denies a big amount of tanks why shouldnt they deny engines.. ?
3 projects should have been started from the eraly beginning!
engine reverse engineering, a new one like the bmc now, one with help of others

the third would fail because no one is willing to create a competitor.. left only two and these projects could have been done untill today

bmc is a fail and it should have been otocar or fnss because of their experience.. but this is not the delay fault of our tank its clear embargo!

 

[Windchime]

It needs to run 9600km like most German transmissions.

The German transmissions also never reached anywhere near 9600km. In fact, that double standard (accepting RENK transmission which didn't achieve said standard whereas applying stricter standards to S&T) was one of S&T's biggest complaint.

Even 7000km should be acceptable compared to no tank, which is 0 km.

On the other hand, problems regarding S&T EST15K cannot be simplified to just "failing to reach 9600km/only reached 7000km".

SNT Dynamics said they've fixed and improved it and will be ready for 2023-2024 production year. Turkish military is not testing this new version.

Well that's surprising. Do you have a source for the last sentence? The newer version of the S&T transmission's got most of its critical components replaced. Seems illogical to test the older version at this point. From what is publicly known, transmission under review for the 4th batch of K2 is this newer version of EST15K. If Türkiye chooses the older version of EST15K, it will be the only user.

 

[Ecderha]

This tank won't be ready before 2026.
The South Korean transmission made by SNT Dynamics (EST15K) failed to run more than 7600km. It needs to run 9600km like most German transmissions. It failed South Korean durability tests and the transmission was rejected and went back to development. It will most likely also fail Turkish tests.

SNT Dynamics said they've fixed and improved it and will be ready for 2023-2024 production year. Turkish military is not testing this new version.

Let's say its 2023 and they've finished testing the current transmission, and then another 2 years testing the new SK transmission and then maybe you got something 2025-2026.

Best option is to upgrade Leopard 2A4s until this comes around.

"Best option is to upgrade Leopard 2A4s until this comes around."
There is Active embargo by Germany on any spare parts for Leopards

How you will upgrade it?
Give us example with what ?
Keep in mind that any upgrade increasing tank weight with 1 ton and more mean -> upgrade of engine and transmission is greatly need it

 

[Ecderha]

The German transmissions also never reached anywhere near 9600km. In fact, that double standard (accepting RENK transmission which didn't achieve said standard whereas applying stricter standards to S&T) was one of S&T's biggest complaint.


On the other hand, problems regarding S&T EST15K cannot be simplified to just "failing to reach 9600km/only reached 7000km".


Well that's surprising. Do you have a source for the last sentence? The newer version of the S&T transmission's got most of its critical components replaced. Seems illogical to test the older version at this point. From what is publicly known, transmission under review for the 4th batch of K2 is this newer version of EST15K. If Türkiye chooses the older version of EST15K, it will be the only user.

"The newer version of the S&T transmission's got most of its critical components replaced. Seems illogical to test the older version at this point"

New version is for Korea only for now

Older version is available for export

There are no options to choose

 

[Baris]

SSB President İsmail Demir:
- The first prototypes of the power pack were received, integrated and tested successfully; could be said that it is close to completion
- After that, the order is tied to a certain amount, will be brought to Turkey, and mass production will begin; this will be next year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572889444180529154

At this point i don't want to get my hopes up but who knows ... I just hope it won't be another "18 months". I also want to know how "mass production" will begin when there is no factory to mass produce the tanks?

 

[Manomed]

SSB President İsmail Demir:
- The first prototypes of the power pack were received, integrated and tested successfully; could be said that it is close to completion
- After that, the order is tied to a certain amount, will be brought to Turkey, and mass production will begin; this will be next year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572889444180529154

At this point i don't want to get my hopes up but who knows ... I just hope it won't be another "18 months". I also want to know how "mass production" will begin when there is no factory to mass produce the tanks?

@Windchime @Baljak

 

[Agha Sher]

SSB President İsmail Demir:
- The first prototypes of the power pack were received, integrated and tested successfully; could be said that it is close to completion
- After that, the order is tied to a certain amount, will be brought to Turkey, and mass production will begin; this will be next year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572889444180529154

At this point i don't want to get my hopes up but who knows ... I just hope it won't be another "18 months". I also want to know how "mass production" will begin when there is no factory to mass produce the tanks?

Foreign power pack?

 

[Radonsider]

Foreign power pack?

Yes

 

[Fairon]

SSB President İsmail Demir:
- The first prototypes of the power pack were received, integrated and tested successfully; could be said that it is close to completion
- After that, the order is tied to a certain amount, will be brought to Turkey, and mass production will begin; this will be next year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572889444180529154

At this point i don't want to get my hopes up but who knows ... I just hope it won't be another "18 months". I also want to know how "mass production" will begin when there is no factory to mass produce the tanks?

Interesting

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572886511623733251

I wonder what changed.

 

[Radonsider]

Maybe we will use Altay with Russian doctrine, just replace it when it breaks down. And probably it will break down lot more than MTU+Renk

 

[Combat-Master]

The engine has come to an end, the gas will be pressed for the Altay tank: • The integration of the power pack supplied from Korea has come to an end. • Head
@SavunmaSanayii

@IsmailDemirSSB
: Very close to conclusion. In 2023, the order will be tied to a certain amount and mass production will begin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572879107758723074

Engine order preparation for Altay tank İsmail Demir said that they are very close to a solution in the search for the supply of the power group needed for the start of the serial production process of the Altay main battle tank. Evaluating the next course of the project, Demir said: "There was a country we were talking about, we integrated the power package from there. We did extensive tests, we got feedback from the tests. Activities started where certain corrections should be made, that issue is going well. We will be in a position to start production at the stage when certain agreements regarding mass production are made. In other words, the first stage of this was the acquisition, integration and testing of the first prototypes of the power pack. These steps continued successfully, and we can say that it is very close to finalization. After that, the order is placed in a certain amount, and mass production begins. That is a process that will take place next year."

 

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572910629010161671

If this is real, then Hayırlı olsun
Checked the account and he doesn't have BS, so real?

 

[Afif]

The engine has come to an end, the gas will be pressed for the Altay tank: • The integration of the power pack supplied from Korea has come to an end. • Head
@SavunmaSanayii

@IsmailDemirSSB
: Very close to conclusion. In 2023, the order will be tied to a certain amount and mass production will begin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572879107758723074

Engine order preparation for Altay tank İsmail Demir said that they are very close to a solution in the search for the supply of the power group needed for the start of the serial production process of the Altay main battle tank. Evaluating the next course of the project, Demir said: "There was a country we were talking about, we integrated the power package from there. We did extensive tests, we got feedback from the tests. Activities started where certain corrections should be made, that issue is going well. We will be in a position to start production at the stage when certain agreements regarding mass production are made. In other words, the first stage of this was the acquisition, integration and testing of the first prototypes of the power pack. These steps continued successfully, and we can say that it is very close to finalization. After that, the order is placed in a certain amount, and mass production begins. That is a process that will take place next year."

i was wondering how an engine and transmission that was developed for 55 nton K2 can work 100 percent with 65 ton altay? are you guys sure that, there is no compromise until the bmc engine and transmission is available?

 

[Radonsider]

i was wondering how an engine and transmission that was developed for 55 nton K2 can work 100 percent with 65 ton altay? are you guys sure that, there is no compromise until the bmc engine and transmission is available?

We are not, probably they will use to produce some for replace some tanks at at least have a modern tank.

We will probably equip a different transmission when one breaks down, which will be more frequent than Renk one

 

[Manomed]

We are not, probably they will use to produce some for replace some tanks at at least have a modern tank.

We will probably equip a different transmission when one breaks down, which will be more frequent than Renk one

We need to get rid off m48s

 

[Radonsider]

We need to get rid off m48s

Probably they will break down less than M48s at this point

 

[Tsenal]

When the serial production finally starts, I will sacrifice a sheep.

 

[Radonsider]

When the serial production finally starts, I will sacrifice a sheep.

Me too, same with TF-X rollout and first flight

 

[Yasar_TR]

i was wondering how an engine and transmission that was developed for 55 nton K2 can work 100 percent with 65 ton altay? are you guys sure that, there is no compromise until the bmc engine and transmission is available?

Engine, wehether it be for 55 ton or 65 ton vehicle doesnt really matter. The Doosan engine develops 1500HP power output with a torque value close to the MTU engine. That amount of power with 4600Nm of torque is enough to drive Altay. German MTU engine isn’t significantly different. It is the transmission that is important here. As and when full power is needed suddenly the transmission has to be sturdy enough to withstand the loads it will be subjected to. To that end the relevant transmission has been under test during the last few months. They must be satisfied enough with the performance of the transmission to go ahead with the integration of the power pack in to Altay.