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Empty talks, as always. Altay should’ve been mass produced in 2018. We are at the end of 2022 and still nothing. And in 2023 they will say 2024 and so on so on. Lost my hope on this one.
 

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I have no doubt the Altay tank production and every project that is being conducted will be delivered in a reasonable timeframe and with an unbelievably high national input rate beyond the wildest imagination of naysayers. Those wishing for our projects to fail will be sorry as always. Those naysayers wanted tanks that can not fight the enemy as they would be made with parts given by that same enemy.
 

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I have no doubt the Altay tank production and every project that is being conducted will be delivered in a reasonable timeframe and with an unbelievably high national input rate beyond the wildest imagination of naysayers. Those wishing for our projects to fail will be sorry as always. Those naysayers wanted tanks that can not fight the enemy as they would be made with parts given by that same enemy.
Watch out for your comments or I'll be cursing heavily. The main problem is those who want a company like bmc to produce engines and tanks. It is to ask for such a job from Bmc, which does not have that technology and R&D work, while Tümosan and Tei are standing still. The vehicles he produced were also licensed by Israel (Carmor aka Hatehof) and 20% for each vehicle sold was going to Israel, but in 2013 he was given 14 million dollars for the lawsuit he filed for his receivables and he gave up. Thus, the production of Kirpi became domestic. The engines used in the vehicles it produces are American (Cummins) and German engines.

Now who is it that manufactures with parts, technology and licenses given by the enemy? BMC, TEI, TAI, OTOKAR, FNSS...!? Don't make ignorant comments, these are normal things in today's world.

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Watch out for your comments or I'll be cursing heavily. The main problem is those who want a company like bmc to produce engines and tanks. It is to ask for such a job from Bmc, which does not have that technology and R&D work, while Tümosan and Tei are standing still. The vehicles he produced were also licensed by Israel (Carmor aka Hatehof) and 20% for each vehicle sold was going to Israel, but in 2013 he was given 14 million dollars for the lawsuit he filed for his receivables and he gave up. Thus, the production of Kirpi became domestic. The engines used in the vehicles it produces are American (Cummins) and German engines.

Now who is it that manufactures with parts, technology and licenses given by the enemy? BMC, TEI, TAI, OTOKAR, FNSS...!? Don't make ignorant comments, these are normal things in today's world.

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BMC Power is nowhere near BMC now. Their staff is mostly consists of ex MTU, Benz etc engineers. They are progressing good on Batu. Remember that when Altay engine program first started they gave it to Tümosan. Later Tümosan said they couldn't do it and cancelled the deal.
 

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BMC Power is nowhere near BMC now. Their staff is mostly consists of ex MTU, Benz etc engineers. They are progressing good on Batu. Remember that when Altay engine program first started they gave it to Tümosan. Later Tümosan said they couldn't do it and cancelled the deal.
Whatever you give to Bmc, he doesn't say no, they are also partners to Togg. Will Bmc make the engine that Tümosan cannot do?

Staff and owners are always changing, I couldn't understand how a corporate company is. Does it make sense to give such very important projects to such a company?
 

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BMC Power is nowhere near BMC now. Their staff is mostly consists of ex MTU, Benz etc engineers. They are progressing good on Batu. Remember that when Altay engine program first started they gave it to Tümosan. Later Tümosan said they couldn't do it and cancelled the deal.
Tümosan wanted that deal to be cancelled and wanted the project directly itself not with any foreign support!! Tümosan did want it to be cancelled not because of that it has no technical capability but because of the terms of previous deal!!
So don not try to defend BMC power decision.
 

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Tümosan wanted that deal to be cancelled and wanted the project directly itself not with any foreign support!! Tümosan did want it to be cancelled not because of that it has no technical capability but because of the terms of previous deal!!
So don not try to defend BMC power decision.
Tumosan was asked to develop engine family from 400 to 850hp. But they have not finished those engines yet too.
 

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Tümosan wanted that deal to be cancelled and wanted the project directly itself not with any foreign support!! Tümosan did want it to be cancelled not because of that it has no technical capability but because of the terms of previous deal!!
So don not try to defend BMC power decision.
Why are you lying. Do you even have any proof about what you are saying. Tümosan gave up on the tank engine project because they would not be able to design a tank engine without foreign assistance. They barely designed an engine for Pars izci and even that was done with help from Austrians and they are yet to mass produce that engine. Tümosan has only about 100 engineers in its R&D team and most of them not very experienced. Meanwhile BMC power has gathered all the most talented engineers from Turkey plus some serious foreign emgineers, therefore it's the only company in Turkey that can get this job done.
 

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Tumosan was asked to develop engine family from 400 to 850hp. But they have not finished those engines yet too.
They have not finished??
So what engine FNSS 6*6 vehicles ,100 of which ordered for army, will use ??
And what engine ulaq unmanned sea platform is using?
Additionally, Tümosan did not get support that BMC power get !! so they were not able to recruit so many engineers!!
 

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Why are you lying. Do you even have any proof about what you are saying. Tümosan gave up on the tank engine project because they would not be able to design a tank engine without foreign assistance. They barely designed an engine for Pars izci and even that was done with help from Austrians and they are yet to mass produce that engine. Tümosan has only about 100 engineers in its R&D team and most of them not very experienced. Meanwhile BMC power has gathered all the most talented engineers from Turkey plus some serious foreign emgineers, therefore it's the only company in Turkey that can get this job done.
Who are you to tell me that I lie?????
Do not talk on the issues that you have no proper info, and this is an advice for you!
SSB tasked Tümosan with the support of Austrian company to produce engine like Altay project (Otokar with support of Korean company). Since at that time we lacked engineers and best way was that, it was very good decision. However due to political circumstances during project, Austrian company was not able to help due Austrian government. And project was not able to move to next stages.
That is why Tümosan requested to make a new deal with SSB,basically to get more support and more money.
In the next competition, BMC power is chosen and it is granted with many supports,so it get able to recruit many engineers with the money they got.
So if Tümosan though that it is not able to make this engine,why did it join the competition???
And Tümosan was more experienced at that time compared to BMC power which was just set up!!!
So don't talk bullshit,and call others liar else, you are beaten in daily life
 

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Who are you to tell me that I lie?????
Do not talk on the issues that you have no proper info, and this is an advice for you!
SSB tasked Tümosan with the support of Austrian company to produce engine like Altay project (Otokar with support of Korean company). Since at that time we lacked engineers and best way was that, it was very good decision. However due to political circumstances during project, Austrian company was not able to help due Austrian government. And project was not able to move to next stages.
That is why Tümosan requested to make a new deal with SSB,basically to get more support and more money.
In the next competition, BMC power is chosen and it is granted with many supports,so it get able to recruit many engineers with the money they got.
So if Tümosan though that it is not able to make this engine,why did it join the competition???
And Tümosan was more experienced at that time compared to BMC power which was just set up!!!
So don't talk bullshit,and call others liar else, you are beaten in daily life
You dont see one thing that, its not only producing the engine, but you need to be able to keep the production too. BMC makes trucks so they know that they cane use those engines for their commercial businesses, thats why willing to invest more, on the other hand, Turmosan make tractors, where else they could use it at that time? They only started to develop bigger engine when FNSS guaranteed to work with them and promised to use their engines in their armored vehicles
 

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You dont see one thing that, its not only producing the engine, but you need to be able to keep the production too. BMC makes trucks so they know that they cane use those engines for their commercial businesses, thats why willing to invest more, on the other hand, Turmosan make tractors, where else they could use it at that time? They only started to develop bigger engine when FNSS guaranteed to work with them and promised to use their engines in their armored vehicles
So you say MTU is using it's engines on its tanks, on its armoured vehicles or on its naval vessels??
There is no such thing that an engine producer also should produce the platform!!
You also think that SSB would not arrange any armoured platform or tank to Tümosan for tests??
 

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So you say MTU is using it's engines on its tanks, on its armoured vehicles or on its naval vessels??
There is no such thing that an engine producer also should produce the platform!!
You also think that SSB would not arrange any armoured platform or tank to Tümosan for tests??

Tumosan was struggling to make an engine

Not because of Muh BMC.

BMC power has been progressing pretty well hopefully they succeed.

For Tumosan well they should try again.
 
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Biiiiiiiiig neeeews! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

BMC Power did it and the national Batu Powerpack; i-e, the engine and the transmission have been started
So happy with BMC Power as it didnt disappoint and congrats for the Turkish nation for its first ever domestic tank engine and domestic transmission


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@bmcpowerresmi is about to complete the integration of the BATU power pack, including the transmission, into the ALTAY main battle tank. On-platform testing is expected to begin soon.

(Note: Both engine and transmission have been

 

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BMC Power did it and the national Batu Powerpack; i-e, the engine and the transmission have been started
So happy with BMC Power as it didnt disappoint and congrats for the Turkish nation for its first ever domestic tank engine and domestic transmission


Translation
@bmcpowerresmi is about to complete the integration of the BATU power pack, including the transmission, into the ALTAY main battle tank. On-platform testing is expected to begin soon.

(Note: Both engine and transmission have been

Oh and big this, _I_ for Germany. Let them suffer the consequences for their actions; they thought Turkey will fail but now it will haunt them for eternity
 

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BMC Power did it and the national Batu Powerpack; i-e, the engine and the transmission have been started
So happy with BMC Power as it didnt disappoint and congrats for the Turkish nation for its first ever domestic tank engine and domestic transmission


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@bmcpowerresmi is about to complete the integration of the BATU power pack, including the transmission, into the ALTAY main battle tank. On-platform testing is expected to begin soon.

(Note: Both engine and transmission have been

I'm skeptical but we shall see.
 

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Comparison between turkish Altay, and korean K2?

It's hard to do it now , after let's say 2 years or Altay entering the inventory specially with that new BMC engine and transmission . But I am really excited of what will Aselsan will add in term of targeting and countermeasure systems .
 
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