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I assume we’re using the best obus to the tasks….
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I assume we’re using the best obus to the tasks….
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Kardesim, did they feel my "discontentness" and decided to post thisThe storm will break quietly!
The steel lion of the battlefield that we surround with experience and technology: #EFIRTINA !
Diameter: 155 mm
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Ööff annam, bakin lan sunun güzelligine. Ne kadar da tatli görünüyor
Sorry, but I feel expressing my joy in Turkish would get through to people on a more genuine level
I hope TAF will order these very soon.
Sorry, but I feel expressing my joy in Turkish would get through to people on a more genuine level
I hope TAF will order these very soon.
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I love this concept from Russia, it could be really effective with a few changes:
Russia unveils prototype of crewless howitzer
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"According to information provided by TASS; the crewless vehicle mounted on the MTS-15 tracked platform is designed for remote operations.
According to a brief description given at the exhibition, the howitzer can be controlled from a distance of up to 500 meters and the system has an automatic loader that can hold four rounds.
Russian developers envision the system's primary role as an autonomous artillery unit that can emerge from cover, fire a small number of rounds, and then retreat to a safe location to repeat the process."
I think a better application for a system like this would be to make it preprogramed, instead of directly controlled. Just give it a coordinate to fire and a coordinate to fire from, an autoloader with 4-6 rounds (iirc most of our artillery has 6 rounds per minute as their maximum firing rate), and an order to return to base after it has completed its mission or if a return order is issued. It might not work with Fırtına or Yavuz or another 155 mm artillery, but I think it would be amazing with Boran.
Russia unveils prototype of crewless howitzer
Rusya mürettebatsız obüs prototipini tanıttı
Rusya, Army 2024 fuarında mürettebatsız bir obüs prototipini tanıttı. Klever adı verilen ve paletli bir platform üzerine monte edilen prototip, çeşitli uluslararası fuarlarda ve ulusal geçit törenlerinde sergilenen ve birçoğu henüz savaş alanında aktif olarak kullanılmayan bir dizi askeri...
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"According to information provided by TASS; the crewless vehicle mounted on the MTS-15 tracked platform is designed for remote operations.
According to a brief description given at the exhibition, the howitzer can be controlled from a distance of up to 500 meters and the system has an automatic loader that can hold four rounds.
Russian developers envision the system's primary role as an autonomous artillery unit that can emerge from cover, fire a small number of rounds, and then retreat to a safe location to repeat the process."
I think a better application for a system like this would be to make it preprogramed, instead of directly controlled. Just give it a coordinate to fire and a coordinate to fire from, an autoloader with 4-6 rounds (iirc most of our artillery has 6 rounds per minute as their maximum firing rate), and an order to return to base after it has completed its mission or if a return order is issued. It might not work with Fırtına or Yavuz or another 155 mm artillery, but I think it would be amazing with Boran.
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The 76/62mm naval gun was named "DENİZHAN".
76/62 mm National Naval Gun DENİZHAN, consisting of 17,000 pieces, developed by MKE A.Ş. with the contributions of domestic suppliers.
The naval gun, whose land and sea acceptance tests have been completed, was first integrated into the Burak class patrol ship TCG BEYKOZ (F-503). It has an effective range of 16 km with standard ammunition and 20 km with extended range ammunition.
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Good choices in terms of project names, but in terms of marketing, universalizing the name codes of the systems would help to increase awareness and eliminate confusion for those who follow Turkish systems abroad.
For DENİZHAN: MKE 76/62 caliber and manufacturer, a description such as Shipboard Gun / Naval Gun / Gun Mount / can also indicate the area of use. Finally, it can have abbreviation codes according to the variants developed, such as UM (long range) or SH (super fast)... And project name is, project Denizhan... I think most of us would agree that there should be a similar standardization at least in missile and ammunition groups, barreled systems, and air vehicles.
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This is not consumer goods, it is a small market with a few makers. Users will appreciate the distinct names.
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Excalibur will be the local partner of Nexter for Czechia's 62 Caesar 155mm gun order. I'm hereby petitioning to transfer MKE's 49% ownership to CSG Group. Maybe that's what we need to get some truck mounted guns delivered in this decade.
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Time fuzing with white phosphorus{#LandandWeaponSystems}
ASAF 155 MOFA, Multi Option Artillery Fuze, inductively programmable in four different modes.
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In September, the Turkish munitions producer Roketsan introduced a satellite-guided artillery rocket for use from its T-122 Sakarya multiple rocket launcher system (MRLS).
This new rocket – named TRG-122 – is derived from the 122mm TR-122-line of rockets, specifically the extended-range variant – which is capable of covering a distance of 40 km. According to IHS Jane’s, each TRG-122 weighs 72 kg (including an 18.4 kg high-explosive or fragmentation warhead). The customer has the option to supplement or supplant the GPS-based seeker with GNSS. The TRG-122’s accuracy is set at <50 m circular error probe (CEP). Roketsan hopes to have the TRG-122 ready for orders in 2017.
The scope of precision-guided munitions is evidently expanding. For a time, such munitions were limited to specialized munitions, such as stand-off range missiles, but with the increasingly affordable nature of guidance kits – especially GPS – the portfolio has broadened significantly. Today, one can include small and lightweight bombs, artillery shells, and artillery rockets.
However, irrespective of whether it is a bomb or a rocket, a precision-guided munition is in place to accomplish a specific goal – to maximize the chance of hitting its target. The effect of a successful impact can be felt across the battlefield chain, from the direct user achieving their mission objective to the rear-end logistics crew being spared from inefficiently using their munitions stock.
In terms of the TRG-122 specifically, it is worth recognizing that its 18.4 kg warhead is not going to fracture a bridge or penetrate hardened shelter. However, in a battlefield environment involving a large number of lightly protected posts and perhaps even mobile radar or air defence units, armies may be able to use the TRG-122 or a TRG-122-like system to great effect.
Granted, the effectiveness of the system is contingent on the user’s ability to gather location data on specific targets, which may also be mobile (e.g. a short-range air defence post). Long-range electro-optical (EO) surveillance pods, which could be housed from fixed-wing, rotary-wing, and potentially even unmanned aerial vehicles, could be a credible surveillance and target-acquisition method.
Within a modern – and dynamic – battle engagement, it is difficult to determine the utility of the TRG-122 without supporting intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) coverage and command, control and communications (C3) network. Yes, unguided rockets can be used to level saturated strikes over a specific area, but a guided rocket would indicate an intent to attack a relatively long-determined target.
In long-drawn border stand-offs between countries, pre-determining targets (before a conflict) may not be difficult, but beyond the initial exchange – and after rapid adjustments from both sides – it is not clear to what extent the TRG-122 could be useful. Of course, by this point, one could imagine the warring sides to pivot to different strike options (the TRG-122 would not be the sole solution).
In non-conventional warfare scenarios such as counterinsurgency (COIN), one could see the TRG-122 take on the role of a low-cost guided munition. For example, some circles of thought, such as those that advocate for the idea of using small warhead-based munitions in built-up areas – on the pretense that such warheads carry a marginal risk of collateral damage – could see the TRG-122 as a viable low-intensity solution. However, even in that scenario, the <50m CEP would not be acceptable; a laser-guided alternative (one guided by a system on the ground or air) would likely be sought.
Not all COIN planners would opt for such methods, the TRG-122 could potentially be utilized in non-civilian environments, such as desolate valleys or mountainous areas. The low-to-non-existent anti-air warfare threat environment in many COIN theatres opens the space for aerial ISR assets to locate targets, the coordinates of which could be fed to the rocket artillery units.
It is worth noting that Roketsan is not the only nor the first to enter the space with a precision-guided 122 mm rocket. For example, China’s NORINCO had also showcased a INS/GPS variant of its BRE7 Fire Dragon 122mm rocket, which is also capable of reaching a range of 40km, but with a CEP of 25m.
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In September, the Turkish munitions producer Roketsan introduced a satellite-guided artillery rocket for use from its T-122 Sakarya multiple rocket launcher system (MRLS).
This new rocket – named TRG-122 – is derived from the 122mm TR-122-line of rockets, specifically the extended-range variant – which is capable of covering a distance of 40 km. According to IHS Jane’s, each TRG-122 weighs 72 kg (including an 18.4 kg high-explosive or fragmentation warhead). The customer has the option to supplement or supplant the GPS-based seeker with GNSS. The TRG-122’s accuracy is set at <50 m circular error probe (CEP). Roketsan hopes to have the TRG-122 ready for orders in 2017.
The scope of precision-guided munitions is evidently expanding. For a time, such munitions were limited to specialized munitions, such as stand-off range missiles, but with the increasingly affordable nature of guidance kits – especially GPS – the portfolio has broadened significantly. Today, one can include small and lightweight bombs, artillery shells, and artillery rockets.
However, irrespective of whether it is a bomb or a rocket, a precision-guided munition is in place to accomplish a specific goal – to maximize the chance of hitting its target. The effect of a successful impact can be felt across the battlefield chain, from the direct user achieving their mission objective to the rear-end logistics crew being spared from inefficiently using their munitions stock.
In terms of the TRG-122 specifically, it is worth recognizing that its 18.4 kg warhead is not going to fracture a bridge or penetrate hardened shelter. However, in a battlefield environment involving a large number of lightly protected posts and perhaps even mobile radar or air defence units, armies may be able to use the TRG-122 or a TRG-122-like system to great effect.
Granted, the effectiveness of the system is contingent on the user’s ability to gather location data on specific targets, which may also be mobile (e.g. a short-range air defence post). Long-range electro-optical (EO) surveillance pods, which could be housed from fixed-wing, rotary-wing, and potentially even unmanned aerial vehicles, could be a credible surveillance and target-acquisition method.
Within a modern – and dynamic – battle engagement, it is difficult to determine the utility of the TRG-122 without supporting intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) coverage and command, control and communications (C3) network. Yes, unguided rockets can be used to level saturated strikes over a specific area, but a guided rocket would indicate an intent to attack a relatively long-determined target.
In long-drawn border stand-offs between countries, pre-determining targets (before a conflict) may not be difficult, but beyond the initial exchange – and after rapid adjustments from both sides – it is not clear to what extent the TRG-122 could be useful. Of course, by this point, one could imagine the warring sides to pivot to different strike options (the TRG-122 would not be the sole solution).
In non-conventional warfare scenarios such as counterinsurgency (COIN), one could see the TRG-122 take on the role of a low-cost guided munition. For example, some circles of thought, such as those that advocate for the idea of using small warhead-based munitions in built-up areas – on the pretense that such warheads carry a marginal risk of collateral damage – could see the TRG-122 as a viable low-intensity solution. However, even in that scenario, the <50m CEP would not be acceptable; a laser-guided alternative (one guided by a system on the ground or air) would likely be sought.
Not all COIN planners would opt for such methods, the TRG-122 could potentially be utilized in non-civilian environments, such as desolate valleys or mountainous areas. The low-to-non-existent anti-air warfare threat environment in many COIN theatres opens the space for aerial ISR assets to locate targets, the coordinates of which could be fed to the rocket artillery units.
It is worth noting that Roketsan is not the only nor the first to enter the space with a precision-guided 122 mm rocket. For example, China’s NORINCO had also showcased a INS/GPS variant of its BRE7 Fire Dragon 122mm rocket, which is also capable of reaching a range of 40km, but with a CEP of 25m.
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It was seen on a South African armoured vehicle this month
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North Macedonia announced that three batteries, that is, a total of 18 BORAN Light Towed Howitzers, will be received from Turkey in the first quarter of 2025.
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On another note few months ago in the news in North Macedonia was mentioned that delegation from defense ministry was asking MKEK for information about 155mm howitzers(I guess Yavuz),not sure what came out of that.(North Macedonia currently has no 155mm weapon systems).North Macedonia announced that three batteries, that is, a total of 18 BORAN Light Towed Howitzers, will be received from Turkey in the first quarter of 2025.
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Roketsan LG-155 laser guided 155mm munition for howitzers. Per İkinci, its first firing tests were made recently.
Minimum 7, maximum 25km range, <5m CEP
Minimum 7, maximum 25km range, <5m CEP
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Is that our „Excalibur“ equivalent?
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Excalibur is GPS/INS guided. LG155 is laser guided, so needs an external actor to lase the target. Good side of it, it can work in GPS spoofed/jammed environments.
A laser guided 155mm munition is pretty original for the modern world. Russians have Krasnopol, Polish are working on it, I think Chinese as well.
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And given how prevalent small drones are, it would barely be a problem to light a target. I really like the idea, I hope the cost is low enough.
