TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Combat-Master]

80th ATAK helicopter on the production line

Impressive how they've added more into the T129B-PII with minimal alterations to the airframe.

 

[what]

Differences of Phase 1 to 2 is only the percentage of indigenous parts or are there any other significant improvements?

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345741506779492354

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345741506779492354

According to Mr. Kotil's latest video, ATAK no.57 was delivered in 2020.
Where are the remaining 22?
TAI is probably working on multiple ATAKs at the moment, let's say six. That still leaves 16 unaccounted for.
Anyone?

 

[adenl]

TAI is probably working on multiple ATAKs at the moment, let's say six. That still leaves 16 unaccounted for.

It could be working on 19 ATAK's at any moment. You can count for yourself here:

 

[Fuzuli NL]

It could be working on 19 ATAK's at any moment. You can count for yourself here:

Thanks bro!
That answers it.

 

[adenl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345741506779492354

Also, it seems that this Atak has already passed through several building/integration 'stations' and there are thus Atak's with a higher number than 80. After watching and counting the T-129 production-line, there could be number 89 at the first building/integration station. Nevermind, these numbers don't seem to follow any order and are mixed together. It seems that in we can expect a total of around 100 if not more T-129 before production switches to T-629.

Also this is a prototype of the T-629 under construction I think, on a place where previously the T-625 prototype was placed in, in june 2018 during Erdogan's visit: After another look I think this is just another T129.

 

[Saithan]

you just jump to say price of missiles or tanks that totally wrong.. come on... show me a single place where officially were told about the price of Altay or American one? now you talk about Atmaca price? stop it..

I am sure if you search for Ethem Sancak and Altay you can find the interview where he himself mentions the price for Altay.

I've also posted it several times in this forum.

But I have to admit that I have not heard or read anything about the price of Atmaca (well I may have forgotten too), so I'd appreciate if the source could be shared.

 

[adenl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/816602112188678144

Exactly 4 years ago, the 19th T-129 was delivered to the Turkish armed forces. On 25th of June 2020 the 57th T-129 was delivered. On average 0.9 T-129 are being delivered per month with almost 11 per year (10.85). This also means that currently around 63 T-129 are in Turkish service. Funnily enough this is also the same production rate for the T70 helicopter built under licence by TAI.

A total of 109 T70 Helicopters will be manufactured and delivered to Turkish Land Forces, Turkish Air Forces, General Command of Gendarmerie, Special Forces, Turkish National Police and Directorate of Forestry during next 10 years.

404 - TUSAS

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www.tusas.com

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/816602112188678144

Exactly 4 years ago, the 19th T-129 was delivered to the Turkish armed forces. On 25th of June 2020 the 57th T-129 was delivered. On average 0.9 T-129 are being delivered per year with almost 11 per year (10.85). This also means that currently around 63 T-129 are in Turkish service.

You mean 0.9 per month.

 

[Zafer]

We are up there but we need better. Proceed to #3 if you like.

 

[Test7]

T129 B2

 

[Fuzuli NL]

As a result of prioritising the TF-X, GÖKBEY heli is going to be delayed for a year.

https://www.milliyet.com.tr/siyaset/mmu-projesi-one-alindi-gokbeye-1-yil-erteleme-6409278

 

[Test7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1351910832146423809

 

[Saithan]

As a result of prioritising the TF-X, GÖKBEY heli is going to be delayed for a year.

https://www.milliyet.com.tr/siyaset/mmu-projesi-one-alindi-gokbeye-1-yil-erteleme-6409278

I’m actually sorry to hear that. It means we don’t have ressources to keep two important projects running on schedule.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I’m actually sorry to hear that. It means we don’t have ressources to keep two important projects running on schedule.

But you have to understand that we're just very new at this scene. It's true that we've gleaned a lot from licence manufacturing but we're not even at the level of Poland in terms of helicopters and a 5th Gen stealth fighter is no joke.
We're way behind in infrastructure and at the same time trying to develop powerpacks. It's tedious work and so far it's been really impressive.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I’m actually sorry to hear that. It means we don’t have ressources to keep two important projects running on schedule.

TAI is planning to have around 10000 engineers and totally 20000 employees in 2028. Today, TAI is still taking qualified engineers (1000-1500/year)and charging them for these big scale programs. This is a process and we are in a critical timeline at present. Some projects have very special meaning and importance and Army is requesting them with urgent codes so transferring matured engineers for TFX is crucial in this period.

 

[Zafer]

I’m actually sorry to hear that. It means we don’t have ressources to keep two important projects running on schedule.

They have been on schedule but one of them is being put on expedited schedule which requires engineering time to be shifted between the too. This is actually a happy situation that shows the agility of our engineering work force. I am very happy too see the TFX program being expedited, I wish more engineers can be pulled from low priority projects into the MMU project which can further speed the project up. Who needs a civilian helicopter when everything is about the military nowadays after all.

 

[Saithan]

TAI is planning to have around 10000 engineers and totally 20000 employees in 2028. Today, TAI is still taking qualified engineers (1000-1500/year)and charging them for these big scale programs. This is a process and we are in a critical timeline at present. Some projects have very special meaning and importance and Army is requesting them with urgent codes so transferring matured engineers for TFX is crucial in this period.

They have been on schedule but one of them is being put on expedited schedule which requires engineering time to be shifted between the too. This is actually a happy situation that shows the agility of our engineering work force. I am very happy too see the TFX program being expedited, I wish more engineers can be pulled from low priority projects into the MMU project which can further speed the project up. Who needs a civilian helicopter when everything is about the military nowadays after all.

I do understand that we've had to move resources to more urgent projects. What's I'm slightly puzzled by is that we're dropping progress for MMU. We've known this would happen ever since we decided to get the S400, and our progress on MMU was either dependent on TS1400 or UK (BMC dropping out of the MMU program opened up for clotted cooperation).

I believe that all our projects are urgent, but whilst I understand that helicopter can be slightly slower because we have Atak129, and we have an armada of TB2 to support our SOF. I still think the Gökbey and Atak2 is just as important not because of the PR value, but the knowledge and experience gained on successful delivery to TSK.

 

[Zafer]

I do understand that we've had to move resources to more urgent projects. What's I'm slightly puzzled by is that we're dropping progress for MMU. We've known this would happen ever since we decided to get the S400, and our progress on MMU was either dependent on TS1400 or UK (BMC dropping out of the MMU program opened up for clotted cooperation).

I believe that all our projects are urgent, but whilst I understand that helicopter can be slightly slower because we have Atak129, and we have an armada of TB2 to support our SOF. I still think the Gökbey and Atak2 is just as important not because of the PR value, but the knowledge and experience gained on successful delivery to TSK.

There is only a short 26 month lead time to the roll out of the MMU, every effort must be put towards polishing up this plane before it is built. Gökbey serial production being postponed by a year has nothing to lose for us in terms of experience as we have already completed the development of this helicopter and we have been supplying main parts of the very similar Italian AW139 helicopter.