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I still think the Gökbey and Atak2 is just as important not because of the PR value, but the knowledge and experience gained on successful delivery to TSK.
You overrate the importance of this 'experience gained on successful delivery to TSK'. The MMU is a unique and the highest value project in the Turkish defense industry, while the helicopter projects are of lower value (does not mean unimportant) especially when the T-70 is currently being delivered up until 2030. By that time, production of T625 is well under way and production of the 10 ton utility helicopter is going to start.
 

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T-629 is coming. Strenghten your seats please !
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You overrate the importance of this 'experience gained on successful delivery to TSK'. The MMU is a unique and the highest value project in the Turkish defense industry, while the helicopter projects are of lower value (does not mean unimportant) especially when the T-70 is currently being delivered up until 2030. By that time, production of T625 is well under way and production of the 10 ton utility helicopter is going to start.
It is true that the production experience gained by the Atak T-129 has opened avenues for both Tai and Tei in the form of T-629, T-929 helicopter developments for the former and the production of TS-1400 engine for the latter. This has given our companies more self confidence in the manufacturing process of TFX.
These projects are all interconnected and affect each other in one way or another.
But as helicopters are becoming easy preys for AD systems more and more, their importance in the battlefield may seem to be less; a bit like tanks. But we all know that both tanks and helicopters are indispensable platforms of the battlefields. They will have to be protected and carried on being used.
As you rightfully pointed out the helicopters we make are going to be produced in accordance with the program and timescale set by the TSK. Only new thing will be more and more indigenously produced parts will be added to the production process.
But TFX is the biggest and most important project this country has undertaken. It is a make or break project. It has to succeed. 200+ planes plus with development costs, it is over 30 billion dollars worth.
 

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Make us proud TAI

We have the T-929 coming after the T-629 and the 10 ton utility one
And naval versions need to be worked on
But once they are done we will need to target the next level, faster and more agile VTOLs
 
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Is the 300 helicopter requirement of the TUHP (Turkish Utility Helicopter Program) still standing? If so, how is the rest of the 191* helicopter
requirement going to be fulfilled? With Gökbey, the indigenous 10-12 ton helicopter or a combination of both?

*109 T70 helicopters fulfilled under the agreement between TAI, GE, TEI and Sikorsky.
 
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It is true that the production experience gained by the Atak T-129 has opened avenues for both Tai and Tei in the form of T-629, T-929 helicopter developments for the former and the production of TS-1400 engine for the latter. This has given our companies more self confidence in the manufacturing process of TFX.
These projects are all interconnected and affect each other in one way or another.
But as helicopters are becoming easy preys for AD systems more and more, their importance in the battlefield may seem to be less; a bit like tanks. But we all know that both tanks and helicopters are indispensable platforms of the battlefields. They will have to be protected and carried on being used.
As you rightfully pointed out the helicopters we make are going to be produced in accordance with the program and timescale set by the TSK. Only new thing will be more and more indigenously produced parts will be added to the production process.
But TFX is the biggest and most important project this country has undertaken. It is a make or break project. It has to succeed. 200+ planes plus with development costs, it is over 30 billion dollars worth.
Thing is that they are not easy prays for AD if used in proper operational conditions, attack helos are asset that deals enormous damage for short time in apperiance, anyway great succsess and one of the best export products that you can materialize now.
 

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Thing is that they are not easy prays for AD if used in proper operational conditions, attack helos are asset that deals enormous damage for short time in apperiance, anyway great succsess and one of the best export products that you can materialize now.
If you have a good layered AD system in place, most enemy helicopters will be easy prey when they take an attacking posture. The trick is to locate enemy AD positions and eliminate them. Or suppress them with EW. Man-pads ranges are increasing all the time. Helicopters have no chance against a missile like our Sungur or hisarA+, especially as we can detect them well before they are in range to shoot.
You are correct! They are a big asset to have. But they have to be used in accordance with current battlefield conditions as you rightfully put it. You can’t just push them in to battle like you could in the 80’s and 90’s like US Apache’s in Iraq unless you have eliminated all forms of enemy AD assets. Helicopters are great weapons in mountainous terrain. Especially one like our T-129, which is very agile and nimble. They are and will be even more of a force multiplier in our mountain covered east when the new Meteksan Mildar millimetre radar is fitted.
 

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If you have a good layered AD system in place, most enemy helicopters will be easy prey when they take an attacking posture. The trick is to locate enemy AD positions and eliminate them. Or suppress them with EW. Man-pads ranges are increasing all the time. Helicopters have no chance against a missile like our Sungur or hisarA+, especially as we can detect them well before they are in range to shoot.
You are correct! They are a big asset to have. But they have to be used in accordance with current battlefield conditions as you rightfully put it. You can’t just push them in to battle like you could in the 80’s and 90’s like US Apache’s in Iraq unless you have eliminated all forms of enemy AD assets. Helicopters are great weapons in mountainous terrain. Especially one like our T-129, which is very agile and nimble. They are and will be even more of a force multiplier in our mountain covered east when the new Meteksan Mildar millimetre radar is fitted.
With enhanced reconaissance abilities provided by drones, they should be even more deadlier amd effective and at the same time more safe, anyway besied internal needs of TAF, this toy has enoromous export potential, attack hellos is huge market as it is used as "cheaper" version of aviation and rudimentary CAS role worldwide.
 

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OOOOh orange Gokbey, testbed for the TS1400 engines I'm hoping

Hang-on, what's this one (middle choppa) ?
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There are two attack helicopter behind the Gökbey. Front heli (behind the gökbey) is T-629 and Atak-2 is locating behind the T-629. Atak-2 seems same mock-up presented in fair but T-629 has complex metalic components on rotor and landing gears that is connected to the fuselage so T-629 is most likely a real prototype helicopter. Dynamic components are different than the mock-up.


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