TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Combat-Master]

Temel Kotil;
T-629 project has been halted in favour of developing T-929 (Atak-II) at an expedited rate.
The electric propulsion we saw of T-629 was for developmental purposes to test dynamic systems, not for flight.

So, developments put in order;

T-929 (ATAK-II)
T-925 (10ton General Purpose Helicopter for LHD)
T-629 (if there's a requirement for it, it may just fade away)

 

[Saithan]

Temel Kotil;
T-629 project has been halted in favour of developing T-929 (Atak-II) at an expedited rate.
The electric propulsion we saw of T-629 was for developmental purposes to test dynamic systems, not for flight.

So, developments put in order;

T-929 (ATAK-II)
T-925 (10ton General Purpose Helicopter for LHD)
T-629 (if there's a requirement for it, it may just fade away)

Not everyone can afford heavy attack helicopters.

Philippine AF were offered a handful of 6 or so Apache for nearly 200 mio a piece or something. Horrible. Attack helicopters in the price range of 45-50 mio USD could very well be the best possible investment for many developing countries. Knowing full well that the alternative would be cheaper Russian and Chinese offers.

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[TheInsider]

I don't think T-629 will fade away. It is not urgent. Helicopter workgroup will develop Gökbey, Atak-II, and heavy utility helicopters that is a lot of work and their hands are full until 2025.

 

[Khagan1923]

We need something to replace T-129 when the time comes. TAI should develop T-629 towards that goal with fully indigenous systems. Incorporating NG features.

 

[CAN_TR]

We need something to replace T-129 when the time comes. TAI should develop T-629 towards that goal with fully indigenous systems. Incorporating NG features.

Actually no, in 2022 all T-129 for TSK will be completed, after that i doubt that they will show interest in T-629 so it's only logical to prioritise T-929 and T-925.

 

[Combat-Master]

When talking about T-129, Temel Kotil said something along the lines that we haven't just yet integrated TEI engines into it. So, we may see T-129 with TEI engines?

 

[Brokengineer]

When talking about T-129, Temel Kotil said something along the lines that we haven't just yet integrated TEI engines into it. So, we may see T-129 with TEI engines?

Mr Aksit told in interviews that ts1400 is developed for both military and civilian purposes. With some armor and tweaks, it is possible to use it on t129 in near future.

 

[Combat-Master]

ALP Havacilik - T-70 Rotor gearbox

 

[Stuka]

Info on the License Production of the T-700 for the long awaited T-70 Black Hawk program.

TEI has already produced 53 T-700 Engines and the rate of production increases.
Now they are close to Producing 2 T-700 per Month.

The first 4 T700 were delivered to TAI in 05/2019.
49 Engines in 2.5 Years, which equals 1.6 Engines per Month.
- This is also important for Future Engine Projects. It took TEI almost 2.5 Years to achieve 2 Engines/Month rate.

The Program planned a timeframe of 10 Years for 109 T-70s (2xT700s) which implies 1 T70/Month so TEI achieved its Target of 2 Engines/Month.

This is a 3.5 Billion program for 109 Helicopters and 236 T700 Engines
- ca. 32M USD per Helicopter.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461982742422425603

Sich engine next to mock up.

 

[Bmx98]

Info on the License Production of the T-700 for the long awaited T-70 Black Hawk program.

TEI has already produced 53 T-700 Engines and the rate of production increases.
Now they are close to Producing 2 T-700 per Month.

The first 4 T700 were delivered to TAI in 05/2019.
49 Engines in 2.5 Years, which equals 1.6 Engines per Month.
- This is also important for Future Engine Projects. It took TEI almost 2.5 Years to achieve 2 Engines/Month rate.

The Program planned a timeframe of 10 Years for 109 T-70s (2xT700s) which implies 1 T70/Month so TEI achieved its Target of 2 Engines/Month.

This is a 3.5 Billion program for 109 Helicopters and 236 T700 Engines
- ca. 32M USD per Helicopter.

49 engines delivered but only one fuselage so far? Dafuq is happening?

 

[Stuka]

49 engines delivered but only one fuselage so far? Dafuq is happening?

TAI might have underestimated its overall workload.

 

[Khagan1923]

Kara Kuvvetleri'nde 'T129 ATAK' Dönüşümü | SavunmaSanayiST

Türk Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı'nın T129 ATAK Helikopteri filosunda, dönüşüm yaşanıyor. EDH ve Faz-I konfigürasyonundaki ATAK'lar, Faz-II'ye dönüştürülüyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

EDH and FAZ-1 ATAKs to be modernized to FAZ-2 standart.

 

[Anmdt]

49 engines delivered but only one fuselage so far? Dafuq is happening?

T-70 project is highly complex and guess it is more than just making the fuselage domestically. Imo it will accelerate.

Kara Kuvvetleri'nde 'T129 ATAK' Dönüşümü | SavunmaSanayiST

Türk Kara Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı'nın T129 ATAK Helikopteri filosunda, dönüşüm yaşanıyor. EDH ve Faz-I konfigürasyonundaki ATAK'lar, Faz-II'ye dönüştürülüyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

EDH and FAZ-1 ATAKs to be modernized to FAZ-2 standart.

They can wait for a few months and opt for phase III instead.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

T129 Atak 20mm gatling gun TrMekatronic

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1466789334175076359

 

[Yasar_TR]

If one can read between the lines of the below statement, can one deduce that the permission to use Honeywell engines for Pakistani t-129’s have been obtained?
quote:
ATAK helikopterinin silah ve toplarını TRMekatronik olarak geliştirmeye başladıklarını kaydeden Sarsılmaz Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Latif Aral Aliş de "Önümüzdeki yıl ihraç edilecek ATAK helikopterinin ilk 30 adet topunun teslimatını yapacağız. Tamamen Türk mühendislerinin ürünü, yerli ve milli olarak üretilecek bu ürünümüz sayesinde silahlı kuvvetlerimizin ihtiyacına cevap vererek dışarıya döviz ödenmesinin önüne geçeceğimiz gibi yapacağımız ihracatla da cari açığın kapanmasında etkili bir rol oynayacağız" dedi.
unquote.

Who else can be at the receiving end of those 30 Atak helicopters that will be exported next year? Also that means, most of the work must have been completed for the 30 Atak helicopters to be able to export all 30 of them in one year.

Bakan Varank açıkladı! 2022'de entegre edilecek

Sanayi ve Teknoloji Bakanı Mustafa Varank, Türkiye'nin yerli taarruz ve taktik keşif helikopteri ATAK'a, 20 milimetrelik, 3 namlulu yerli burun topunun...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

 

[Huelague]

If one can read between the lines of the below statement, can one deduce that the permission to use Honeywell engines for Pakistani t-129’s have been obtained?
quote:
ATAK helikopterinin silah ve toplarını TRMekatronik olarak geliştirmeye başladıklarını kaydeden Sarsılmaz Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Latif Aral Aliş de "Önümüzdeki yıl ihraç edilecek ATAK helikopterinin ilk 30 adet topunun teslimatını yapacağız. Tamamen Türk mühendislerinin ürünü, yerli ve milli olarak üretilecek bu ürünümüz sayesinde silahlı kuvvetlerimizin ihtiyacına cevap vererek dışarıya döviz ödenmesinin önüne geçeceğimiz gibi yapacağımız ihracatla da cari açığın kapanmasında etkili bir rol oynayacağız" dedi.
unquote.

Who else can be at the receiving end of those 30 Atak helicopters that will be exported next year? Also that means, most of the work must have been completed for the 30 Atak helicopters to be able to export all 30 of them in one year.

Bakan Varank açıkladı! 2022'de entegre edilecek

Sanayi ve Teknoloji Bakanı Mustafa Varank, Türkiye'nin yerli taarruz ve taktik keşif helikopteri ATAK'a, 20 milimetrelik, 3 namlulu yerli burun topunun...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

Philippines has there helis. Who else is also on the list expect Pakistan.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Who else can be at the receiving end of those 30 Atak helicopters that will be exported next year?

Morocco, Azerbaijan and Iraq were interested.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Morocco, Azerbaijan and Iraq were interested.

Morocco expressed interest in the deal in 2018, but the US-imposed sanctions slowed the deal. Morocco have went for apaches so i dont know how credible the new reports is. I read this recently:

«Morocco reportedly selected the Apache after rejecting the TAI T129, apparently after Moroccan authorities considered that the Turkish helicopter had “not satisfied expectations” during a Syrian deployment. More recently, however, it has emerged that Morocco is once again in negotiations with Turkey for the supply of 22 T129s to augment its new Apaches»

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1466752288194768902

well it’s December and AFP should be receiving their first 2 T129 very soon