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Apparently the new design of T925.

I am wondering if it is possible to make both T925 designs at the same time? Most of the helicopter would be the same and only the cabin will be changed.(like T925 with ramp and T925 without ramp) How difficult would that be?
Interesting, to say the least...

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You can increase commonality with running gear and cockpit to some degree but it is still added cost on the base design. And more importantly, I think navy still wants a larger helicopter more similar to AW-101, so this doesn't really answer their needs.
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Can't believe this design now changed about 3 times since it was first unveiled.
 

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Interesting, to say the least...

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You can increase commonality with running gear and cockpit to some degree but it is still added cost on the base design. And more importantly, I think navy still wants a larger helicopter more similar to AW-101, so this doesn't really answer their needs.

Both of the designs should be studied by now due to design change, but how much did it progressed I am not sure. Still this would increase the cost and time to develop, it is for sure.

Navy also needs Seahawks (I am not sure how much they like navalized Gokbey idea) and this would address both of their needs as well. ( I wish the solution would be that easy :D )
 
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To add, Atak 2 was shown on yesterday's program as well, but no flight happened.

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Demiroğlu, who provided information about the delivery program of Turkey's first indigenous helicopter, GÖKBEY, recalled that GÖKBEY performed its "Victory Flight" on August 30. He stated, "We had actually planned our delivery for that time, but due to some delays in tests, we hope to complete our tests and make our deliveries within October. The delays were related to the documentation work for the tests, specifically the certification processes. We expect to see that delivery sometime this month, possibly on October 29 or even earlier."

Schrödinger's Gökbey continues to be delivered and not delivered.
 

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Demiroğlu, who provided information about the delivery program of Turkey's first indigenous helicopter, GÖKBEY, recalled that GÖKBEY performed its "Victory Flight" on August 30. He stated, "We had actually planned our delivery for that time, but due to some delays in tests, we hope to complete our tests and make our deliveries within October. The delays were related to the documentation work for the tests, specifically the certification processes. We expect to see that delivery sometime this month, possibly on October 29 or even earlier."

Tracks with Sünnetçi's article from august.
The official acceptance of the first 3 T625J GÖKBEY Light Utility Helicopters, which are produced in Military Configuration for the Gendarmerie Aviation Command and defined as Early Entry Helicopters (EDH), is targeted to be completed in the last quarter of 2024 (if there is no setback, the acceptance ceremony is expected to be held on October 29, 2024).
 

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Don't know about 625 but 2 army T129s did a small show.

Per Tolga Özbek, T929 was never supposed to go to Adana and the prototype is currently in Ankara. Looks like a fuckup by the festival's marketing and social media teams.

They understood the sentence "2 atak helicopters will come" as "Atak2 will come" ya :D dreams Atak2 but realities Atak ahah
 

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World won't wait for us while we try to handle our stuff.

Not much of a competitor to be honest.

Fenestron rotors are quiet and safer but…..
  • Greater weight, therefore greater power requirement and more air resistance brought by the enclosed structure
  • Higher cost to construct.
  • More power is needed during the hover phase
  • In short less efficient as a killing machine.
It has 2 x French 1030HP power units. MTOW is 4900kg.
 

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Not much of a competitor to be honest.
I think you'll agree with me in saying a Malaysia that have LAH will be less likely to procure an armed T625 and will be more likely to procure the future LUH and Surion over T625 and T925.
 

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Looks like you guys waited for me to deliver the news!

Finally after years of delay, first T625 was officially, fully delivered to gendarme.

4 prototypes completed 1500 flight hours of tests to date.

Starting from 2025, "two additional GÖKBEYs will be delivered to the Gendarmerie, seven to the Land Forces, four to the Air Force, three to the Police Force and three to the Coast Guard, bringing the total number of deliveries to 20. On the other hand, 3 GÖKBEY Air Ambulances will be delivered to the Ministry of Health in 2026."
This first phase of 23 helicopters will be completed in 2026, so almost one a month. We know 3 T625s are already built and were tested but only one was delivered today, and per SSist other two will be delivered in 2025. I wonder what's the reason for that calendar.

"TAI continues its efforts to reach a production capacity of four GÖKBEYs per month. GÖKBEY is expected to be delivered with indigenous engines by 2027."


As mentioned by SSist, no local engine deliveries will be made for the first phase and TS1400 will apparently continue its tests. "T625 with local engines are expected after 2028..."

What's most surprising was this for me however. I wonder if it was a gaffe by Erdoğan. "Plans are underway for the serial production of an additional 57 GÖKBEY helicopters for the needs of the Turkish Naval Forces Command." Should we expect a navalized ASW specialized T625? I wish!


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"TAI continues its efforts to reach a production capacity of four GÖKBEYs per month. GÖKBEY is expected to be delivered with indigenous engines by 2027."

10 years from project's start to first delivery. Not bad considering it's our first turbine engine. Hopefully TF6000 will take less.
 

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Looks like you guys waited for me to deliver the news!

Finally after years of delay, first T625 was officially, fully delivered to gendarme.

4 prototypes completed 1500 flight hours of tests to date.

Starting from 2025, "two additional GÖKBEYs will be delivered to the Gendarmerie, seven to the Land Forces, four to the Air Force, three to the Police Force and three to the Coast Guard, bringing the total number of deliveries to 20. On the other hand, 3 GÖKBEY Air Ambulances will be delivered to the Ministry of Health in 2026."
This first phase of 23 helicopters will be completed in 2026, so almost one a month. We know 3 T625s are already built and were tested but only one was delivered today, and per SSist other two will be delivered in 2025. I wonder what's the reason for that calendar.

"TAI continues its efforts to reach a production capacity of four GÖKBEYs per month. GÖKBEY is expected to be delivered with indigenous engines by 2027."


As mentioned by SSist, no local engine deliveries will be made for the first phase and TS1400 will apparently continue its tests. "T625 with local engines are expected after 2028..."

What's most surprising was this for me however. I wonder if it was a gaffe by Erdoğan. "Plans are underway for the serial production of an additional 57 GÖKBEY helicopters for the needs of the Turkish Naval Forces Command." Should we expect a navalized ASW specialized T625? I wish!

It would have been a mistake not to produce an AW159 equivalent helicopter at home when the Navy's need for helicopters was so acute and the production line for the T-625 was already set up. An AW159 equivalent helicopter may not provide maximum capability, but it can fill the urgent gap until the heavy class navy helicopter arrives, which can be developed as a battlefield utility helicopter and a wide range of system integration can be attempted.

If the production target of 4 helicopters per month can be reached at the beginning of 2026, this means that around 200 helicopters will be produced before 2030, which roughly corresponds to the replacement of at least +150 UH-1/204/205/212(which are counting the days for retirement in different force commands including gendarmerie), and the additional purchases of the ministries of forestry and health etc. In 2027, the indigenously designed engine will arrive, and if the work has already started, maybe we will see a Wildcat equivalent Denizbey around 2028-2029.
 
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