Azerbaijan Armenia Tensions

[GoatsMilk]

Also armenia is pretty much an oligarchy. An exceptionally corrupt one at that. To believe its some kind of flourishing democracy is also another tall Armenian tale.

The idea that the numbers of dead couldn't be covered up is hilarious. Especially when you consider that the deaths occurred in a legal grey zone for the armenian state of what was occupied Karabagh.

Its also worth pointing out that many countries who sent terrorists to fight for armenia have gone silent on the issue too like greece. Who during the war were interviewing and advertising all the so-called spartans going to fight for armenia. We hear nothing about those or what happened to them. The same for the terrorists that came from america, lebabnon, syria, europe, etc to fight for the illegal Armenian occupation. They are all buried and forgotten about.

But its like when Pashinyan went onto international media claiming a genocide was being committed by Turkey directly in Armenia itself during the war, none of the western media asked him for "evidence". From genocide accusations to barely anyone died despite surrendering and losing a war.

 

[Vergennes]

you shared the lie and we showed you that you are lying, why did you disappear right after that?
i see 2 options here..
either you share propaganda knowing the fact, then shame on you!
or you didn't know that fact but still got hurt knowing the truth and didn't even reply to it?

I am only sharing official figures given by Armenia nothing else. If they are revised up or down,I'll post them anyways. I don't come with dubious claims such as "2 millions Armenian soldiers have been killed but they are hiding it". There have been enough fantasist claims coming from both sides.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I am only sharing official figures given by Armenia nothing else. If they are revised up or down,I'll post them anyways. I don't come with dubious claims such as "2 millions Armenian soldiers have been killed but they are hiding it". There have been enough fantasist claims coming from both sides.

Any evidence? You seem quite confident in the idea that numbers of deaths on the armenian side couldn't be manipulated? When if we know anything about war, win or lose the state lowers the number of deaths to appease public sentiment.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Interesting article taken from reddit.

The Muslim vs the Armenian.

https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/l64lwp

 

[Zapper]

India starts delivery of SWATHI weapons locating radars to Armenia​

India has started the process of delivering Swathi Weapon Locating Radars to Armenia that it had won for $40 million in March 2020. Russian Air Force operated Antonov-124-100 strategic airlifter had landed in Bangalore that was Chartered to ferry the Swathi Weapon Locating Radars on 22nd of this month, aircraft took off on its onward journey on the same day.

As per the agreement, India will supply four SWATHI weapon locating radars, which provide fast, automatic, and accurate location of enemy weapons like mortars, shells, and rockets in its 50-km range.

SWATHI, developed by DRDO’s Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE), can simultaneously handle multiples projectiles fired from different weapons at different locations. The system is capable of adjusting the fire of our artillery weapon also. The weapon includes 81mm or higher calibre mortars, 105mm or higher calibre shells, and 120mm or higher calibre free flying rockets.

At time of ongoing Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh, Pakistani Social media handles ran a campaign that SWATHI weapon locating radars had underperformed and Armenian Military was not happy with the system even when though, in reality, SWATHI was not delivered back then.

https://www.eletimes.com/india-starts-delivery-of-swathi-weapon-locating-radars-to-armenia

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1352364358441963526

 

[Kaptaan]

India starts delivery of SWATHI weapons locating radars to Armenia​

India has started the process of delivering Swathi Weapon Locating Radars to Armenia that it had won for $40 million in March 2020. Russian Air Force operated Antonov-124-100 strategic airlifter had landed in Bangalore that was Chartered to ferry the Swathi Weapon Locating Radars on 22nd of this month, aircraft took off on its onward journey on the same day.

As per the agreement, India will supply four SWATHI weapon locating radars, which provide fast, automatic, and accurate location of enemy weapons like mortars, shells, and rockets in its 50-km range.

SWATHI, developed by DRDO’s Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE), can simultaneously handle multiples projectiles fired from different weapons at different locations. The system is capable of adjusting the fire of our artillery weapon also. The weapon includes 81mm or higher calibre mortars, 105mm or higher calibre shells, and 120mm or higher calibre free flying rockets.

At time of ongoing Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh, Pakistani Social media handles ran a campaign that SWATHI weapon locating radars had underperformed and Armenian Military was not happy with the system even when though, in reality, SWATHI was not delivered back then.

https://www.eletimes.com/india-starts-delivery-of-swathi-weapon-locating-radars-to-armenia

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1352364358441963526

This does not disprove the story that this 'junk' was not delivered to the Armenian prior or during the conflict. This report shows a delivery. Considering Armenia lost badly I think the makers would every reason to obfuscate the delivery schedules.

 

[Zapper]

This does not disprove the story that this 'junk' was not delivered to the Armenian prior or during the conflict. This report shows a delivery. Considering Armenia lost badly I think the makers would every reason to obfuscate the delivery schedules.

We got the contract in March 2020 while Armenia-Azeri conflict started in July 2020 and intensified in Sept. So you're actually expecting us to deliver these radars in less than 6 months!!...Wow TT

 

[Nilgiri]

We got the contract in March 2020 while Armenia-Azeri conflict started in July 2020 and intensified in Sept. So you're actually expecting us to deliver these radars in less than 6 months!!...Wow

We know what the same social media mob would be believing w.r.t ISPR even regarding massive victories in the plains of Bengal....right up to the last few days.

So sniff and scratch claims in the interweb-dweeb world are definitely going to get similar stronk-cred from same folks.

I mean ~ 99% of them thought it was a radar for detecting drones (and thus played some role in not being able to stop TB2 and harop)...if they even knew what a radar was in first place (I mean the bandwagon is driven by something else than facts or knowledge). Such a clown show.

I already talked about WLR claim here:

Azerbaijan Armenia Tensions

I think they didn't use them because they would get shot down. The whole Armenian strategy was trying to bait Azerbaijan to attack Armenia directly and then the Russians would use it as an "excuse" to stop the conflict. If you noticed the armenians had a free hand to attack and terrorise...

defencehub.live

 

[AzeriTank]

I am only sharing official figures given by Armenia nothing else. If they are revised up or down,I'll post them anyways. I don't come with dubious claims such as "2 millions Armenian soldiers have been killed but they are hiding it". There have been enough fantasist claims coming from both sides.

2 million? who said it? can you just make an honest conversation instead making things up? Azerbaijan doesnt even care how many Armenians died. We won and thats it. i only read these from Armenian sources which share in Armenian language. They are the themselves share all these facts that they dont count the Karabagh Armenians which were actually used in the front lines as Yerevan Armenians refused and only wanted to help with artillery("Warriors"))). Thats why they had thousands of mortar fires..
Also, head of Azerbaijani special forces in Shusha fight, Terlan Ahmadov today said they gave 700 dead Armenian bodies to Armenian side from the Shusha city fight alone after the peace was made.. as Armenians were looking for another excuse and saying that SHusha is sold. after his comment(all Armenians know him as he was also famous from 1st karabagh war). Not a single word came from Armenia to refuse it. it was shared in all their news channels..

 

[Raptor]

We got the contract in March 2020 while Armenia-Azeri conflict started in July 2020 and intensified in Sept. So you're actually expecting us to deliver these radars in less than 6 months!!...Wow TT

Especially when Indian army needed them for LOC

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355428400610091010

RU-TR joint Peacekeeping observation center.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354733263789711360

 

[AzeriTank]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354863263872331776

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355872220837539841

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355855179204227074

 

[Costin84]

2 million? who said it? can you just make an honest conversation instead making things up? Azerbaijan doesnt even care how many Armenians died. We won and thats it. i only read these from Armenian sources which share in Armenian language. They are the themselves share all these facts that they dont count the Karabagh Armenians which were actually used in the front lines as Yerevan Armenians refused and only wanted to help with artillery("Warriors"))). Thats why they had thousands of mortar fires..
Also, head of Azerbaijani special forces in Shusha fight, Terlan Ahmadov today said they gave 700 dead Armenian bodies to Armenian side from the Shusha city fight alone after the peace was made.. as Armenians were looking for another excuse and saying that SHusha is sold. after his comment(all Armenians know him as he was also famous from 1st karabagh war). Not a single word came from Armenia to refuse it. it was shared in all their news channels..

The only honest conversation is that Armenia may be many things but it's not Soviet Russia or commie China,thus, it's impossible for a small democratic country of 3.3 million to hide thousands of deaths to their population, even in Nagorno Karabag as those presumed thousands of dead people have mothers, fathers, brothers, etc and they can't go unnoticed in such a small country.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The only honest conversation is that Armenia may be many things but it's not Soviet Russia or commie China,thus, it's impossible for a small democratic country of 3.3 million to hide thousands of deaths to their population, even in Nagorno Karabag as those presumed thousands of dead people have mothers, fathers, brothers, etc and they can't go unnoticed in such a small country.

That is the right logic if you are living in a western society. Not if you are living in a society like the Caucasus though. Especially a society that has been brainwashed with Soviet system of governance. You could lose your own mother and apart from you, no one would know you have!

 

[Oryx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355943066507628547

 

[GoatsMilk]

That is the right logic if you are living in a western society. Not if you are living in a society like the Caucasus though. Especially a society that has been brainwashed with Soviet system of governance. You could lose your own mother and apart from you, no one would know you have!

Even in western societies governments have laws that allow them to hide information. In england we even have laws that allow informants to legally murder. Once the murder is committed the media cannot cover it or expose it.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Even in western societies governments have laws that allow them to hide information. In england we even have laws that allow informants to legally murder. Once the murder is committed the media cannot cover it or expose it.

This legislation does not give outright immunity from crimes. It is to safeguard the national security matters. There are certain clauses that makes it a bit open ended;
quote
The guidelines state that official authorisation does not confer immunity but instead act as “the service’s explanation and justification of its decision should the criminal activity of the agent come under scrutiny by an external body, eg the police or prosecuting authorities”.

“In particular, the authorisation process and associated records may form the basis of representations by the service to the prosecuting authorities that prosecution is not in the public interest.”
unquote
But in short it is disturbing and does give the right to commit certain crimes (which ones not quite clear as all decisions pertaining to this legislation is a secret) in the name of national security.