Azerbaijan Armenia Tensions

[Barry]

Nothing about amending the Armenian constitution to remove territorial claims on azerbaijan, or border demarcation?

 

[Huelague]

And if tomorrow they start restricting or limiting access , or even start doing favours towards the armenians at your expense, what can you do about it? What insurance do you have should the americans not uphold their side of the bargain?

Honestly i think you kicked a demon out only to invite the devil in. With the americans there is very possible for the armenians to become hostile again.

Azerbaijan invited nobody. Its Armenian territory.

 

[2033]

The presence of the U.S. in the region was necessary to balance Russia and Iran. I think it was a good agreement for Azerbaijan. Those who say that the U.S. will control the Zangezur Corridor and thereby control Türkiye’s access to Central Asia are mistaken; we can also access it through Georgia.

 

[Perun]

...the most destructive crusader state in the middle east.

From this and your previos post i see that you have some issue against Christianity.
Israel is "crusader" state as much as you are crusader because they care about Christians just much as you do.

And this game between Turkey and Israel is long one, but time is on Turkish side. If you compare Turkish military capabilities, economy, industry... now and 30 years before you can see great advance. If this advance is not interupted by some war then 30 years from now Turkey will be much stronger

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1954091290129289541

On August 8, 2025, a peace agreement ending the 35-year war between Armenia and Azerbaijan was initialed at the White House. The date, August 8, coinciding with the anniversary of Russia’s 2008 intervention in South Ossetia, symbolizes the U.S.’s return to the South Caucasus and a new phase in its Russia–Iran containment strategy. The ceremony, marked by the two leaders’ excessive flattery of Trump and their Nobel nomination suggestion, became an indicator of global moral decay in the shadow of the ongoing massacre in Gaza. The most critical outcome of the agreement for Turkey is the 44-km Zengezur Corridor. The corridor’s construction and operation rights being granted to the U.S. for 99 years pose significant geopolitical risks for Turkey, Russia, and Iran. While the corridor connects Turkey directly to Azerbaijan and Central Asia, the U.S.’s entrenchment in the region signifies a new American encirclement line in the South Caucasus. This can be seen as a modern version of the historical “Caucasian Wall.” U.S. control could weaken Russia and Iran’s connections through Armenia, which resist hegemony, and potentially create obstacles for China’s “Belt and Road” initiative, which also offers opportunities for Turkey. If Turkish–American relations deteriorate, the corridor could be used against Turkey. The ultimate goal should be to establish Eurasia-centered peace and cooperation among Turkey, Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan, and Armenia, keeping the South Caucasus free from U.S. influence. As long as this corridor remains under Washington’s control, it will serve American Turanism and provide opportunities to strain Turkish–Russian and Turkish–Iranian relations in the future, which must not be overlooked. While strengthening ties with the Turkic world, we cannot ignore the potential to tip delicate global balances against us. In a context where a new process has been initiated for Hezbollah to disarm in Lebanon, which Hezbollah opposes; Israel has announced a Gaza annexation plan reminiscent of Hitler’s so-called final solution; Greece’s newly declared maritime spatial planning map, supported by the U.S. and EU, mirrors the Sevilla map that pushes Turkey toward the continent; articles in the media discuss Israel’s consideration of military intervention in Northern Cyprus and the necessity of establishing a Kurdish state with sea access; the Serb president in the Bosnia-Herzegovina federation has been sacked; and the FBI has placed a bounty on Venezuela’s elected president Maduro, who resists the U.S., the initialing of this agreement stands out. History holds the answer to how lasting the gains are when approaching the West, showering the U.S. and Trump with flattery and praise. In the 1990s, Ankara repeatedly agreed to Operation Provide Comfort, paving the way for an autonomous Kurdish state in Iraq. The same grave mistake was made in Syria after 2013. Not only did millions of refugees flood into our country, but we also became direct neighbors with Israel. Post-Cold War, the CIA’s FETO structuring in Central Asia was practically applauded, and the results are clear. In short, every initiative orchestrated by the U.S. only serves its interests. Turkey has evidently not objected to this development in the South Caucasus. Under heavy financial pressure, Ankara, which sees its geopolitical future in aligning with U.S. hegemony and is steering toward increasingly risky and dangerous waters, must act with great caution. We must learn from history. With his “Caucasian Wall” definition, Atatürk referred to the chain of pro-Western buffer states—Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia—that Britain sought to establish in the Caucasus after World War I. In a letter sent on September 5, 1920, to Eastern Front Commander Kâzım Karabekir Pasha and other commanders, Atatürk emphasized that the “Caucasian Wall” was created to sever Anatolia’s land connection with the Turkish–Islamic world and stressed that its destruction was essential for both national security and strategic unity with the Turkic world. Let us remind ourselves: history does not repeat itself for the wise.





I'm not a fan of cems concern for Iran and Russia, neither are concerned for us and ideally its good both are turning into regional losers. But the general sentiment i agree with.

In the long run this is bad news is probably going to be bad news for Turkiye.

 

[Lool]

A big mistake to allow the US to enter Armenia. Turkey will regret it in the future for sure

However, I would like to point out that Turkey cant do nothing about it (even if it wanted to) since Pashinyan is trying to survive with his teeth and nails and the only way to do that is by ditching Russia and becoming a pet to the US. Moreover, some online sources reported that Aliyev was in favour of having the US get involved as the Azeris are honestly fed up with the Russians and are continuously being threatened by them. In other words, for Azerbaijan, it is better to have the US enter the region but for Turkey, it is a bad scenario

 

[500]

Ironic, if Armenia loses Karabakh completely it will be the best thing happened to them. They can start concentrating on Armenia itself: fight corruption, start trade with Turkey and Azerbaijan, cut military spends and became more or less a normal country.

On the other hand if Azeri victory wont be decissive, then things in Armenia will get even much worse: corrupt leaders will return to power, they will boost military spends and nationalistic histeria.

It happened. A huge loss for Russia and Iran. Both Azerbaijan and Armenia win.

Russo-Iranian axis have a meltdown:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1953925816749850941

 

[Huelague]

All borders to Armenia will opened. Türkiye with his big market, Azerbaijan with his huge resources and Georgia of course. Iranian dictatorship is coming to an end and they must be adapt to the new economic truth.

Congratulations to all!
Enemies, unteachables and people lagging behind, will always search and found of failures. This people can not be helped.

The thing is, we gave Mullahs and Persians the opportunity, but they missed the chance. Now, they will have Turks, American, Russian and Jews on her North border.

 

[BordoEnes]

It happened. A huge loss for Russia and Iran. Both Azerbaijan and Armenia win.

Russo-Iranian axis have a meltdown:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1953925816749850941

The very fact it is even globally known as the "Zangezur Corridor" shows the inevitably and diplomatic weight behind it. I have never seen Armenians this mad about a name before lol

 

[Century]

All borders to Armenia will opened. Türkiye with his big market, Azerbaijan with his huge resources and Georgia of course. Iranian dictatorship is coming to an end and they must be adapt to the new economic truth.

Congratulations to all!
Enemies, unteachables and people lagging behind, will always search and found of failures. This people can not be helped.

The thing is, we gave Mullahs and Persians the opportunity, but they missed the chance. Now, they will have Turks, American, Russian and Jews on her North border.

This is just my opinion: I don't believe Armenia will just forget 1915 because Turkey’s got a “big market.” That’s like telling someone to move in with the guy who burned their house down because he’s got Netflix Premium. And Azerbaijan? Pretty sure Armenians haven’t exactly been sending them Christmas cards since the whole “losing land and thousands displaced” thing a couple years back. Karabakh wasn’t some minor border tiff, Rather it was a national trauma that I have little confidence will be over looked by the general public. At the beginning of the conflict, the public seemed to be more forgiving.

An IRI poll in Feb and March 2021 found that:
1. A majority of Armenians wanted the government to focus on domestic issues like the economy, political stability, and reintegrating displaced Artsakh residents (97 % and 92 %, respectively).
2. Despite the shock of the conflict, 33 % said they would still vote for the ruling party if elections were held immediately, and over 50 % held a “very” or “somewhat” favorable view of the Prime Minister’s office.

However, A 2023 Gallup poll found that over 80 % disapproved of PM Pashinyan’s statement recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan (Arka). Then, In mid-2024, mass protests erupted when Armenia handed over four border villages to Azerbaijan and many accused Pashinyan of betrayal and called for his resignation.
According to a May 2025 CRRC poll, only 15 % of respondents trusted Pashinyan and his party and 55 % said they trusted no political force at all.
From the latest IRI survey (June 2025), Pashinyan’s approval dropped to 13 %, down from 16 % in Sept 2024. The Armed Forces (72 %) and the Armenian Apostolic Church (58 %) remain the most trusted institutions.

Sure, money and defense deals can make weird bedfellows, but this isn’t going to be some cheerful ribbon-cutting at the border. If anything happens, it’ll be slow, grudging, and probably full of side-eyes across the table.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if there are groups that take up arms against this, causing issues with this deal.

 

[GoatsMilk]

This is just my opinion: I don't believe Armenia will just forget 1915 because Turkey’s got a “big market.” That’s like telling someone to move in with the guy who burned their house down because he’s got Netflix Premium.

In england over my life time i had few greek girlfriends. A prevalent thing that i would always her from these girlfriends was when their own english friends would find out i'm Turkish. They would always ask these greek girlfriends "but he's Turkish" or "isnt he Turkish" and things like that. Basically the greek girls themselves didnt give two shits for me being Turkish. But her English friends were always finding issue with it, subtle little gestures to arouse hostility or conflict. To ultimatly create division, almost like they had an innate or genetic predisposition to behave this way.

The Turkish Armenian situation is quite similar. If the westerners stop relentlessly instigating, things will heal. Just like how they do it with the kurds constantly bullshiting in their media that Turks are genociding Kurds.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

This is just my opinion: I don't believe Armenia will just forget 1915 because Turkey’s got a “big market.” That’s like telling someone to move in with the guy who burned their house down because he’s got Netflix Premium. And Azerbaijan? Pretty sure Armenians haven’t exactly been sending them Christmas cards since the whole “losing land and thousands displaced” thing a couple years back. Karabakh wasn’t some minor border tiff, Rather it was a national trauma that I have little confidence will be over looked by the general public. At the beginning of the conflict, the public seemed to be more forgiving.

An IRI poll in Feb and March 2021 found that:
1. A majority of Armenians wanted the government to focus on domestic issues like the economy, political stability, and reintegrating displaced Artsakh residents (97 % and 92 %, respectively).
2. Despite the shock of the conflict, 33 % said they would still vote for the ruling party if elections were held immediately, and over 50 % held a “very” or “somewhat” favorable view of the Prime Minister’s office.

However, A 2023 Gallup poll found that over 80 % disapproved of PM Pashinyan’s statement recognizing Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan (Arka). Then, In mid-2024, mass protests erupted when Armenia handed over four border villages to Azerbaijan and many accused Pashinyan of betrayal and called for his resignation.
According to a May 2025 CRRC poll, only 15 % of respondents trusted Pashinyan and his party and 55 % said they trusted no political force at all.
From the latest IRI survey (June 2025), Pashinyan’s approval dropped to 13 %, down from 16 % in Sept 2024. The Armed Forces (72 %) and the Armenian Apostolic Church (58 %) remain the most trusted institutions.

Sure, money and defense deals can make weird bedfellows, but this isn’t going to be some cheerful ribbon-cutting at the border. If anything happens, it’ll be slow, grudging, and probably full of side-eyes across the table.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if there are groups that take up arms against this, causing issues with this deal.

What about the Native Canadians, why did you guys genocide them? I think the native Canadians will never forget what you european invaders did to them.

 

[Century]

In england over my life time i had few greek girlfriends. A prevalent thing that i would always her from these girlfriends was when their own english friends would find out i'm Turkish. They would always ask these greek girlfriends "but he's Turkish" or "isnt he Turkish" and things like that. Basically the greek girls themselves didnt give two shits for me being Turkish. But her English friends were always finding issue with it, subtle little gestures to arouse hostility or conflict. To ultimatly create division, almost like they had an innate or genetic predisposition to behave this way.

The Turkish Armenian situation is quite similar. If the westerners stop relentlessly instigating, things will heal. Just like how they do it with the kurds constantly bullshiting in their media that Turks are genociding Kurds.

I understand that in your mind English folks being awkward about dating Turkish people is a real crisis on par with genocide and decades of denial. However, the Turkish-Armenian issue isn’t about some “innate genetic predisposition” to be hostile over a few awkward conversations. It’s about an actual genocide that Turkey still refuses to acknowledge, plus decades of conflict, displacement, and deep mistrust.
Blaming “Westerners” and “media bullshitting” like the Kurds situation is just a convenient way to dodge the uncomfortable fact that healing takes a hell of a lot more than hoping everyone just stops talking about it. You don’t get to erase history by pretending it’s media conspiracy.
So, perhaps start with an actual apology and acknowledgment before blaming everyone else for “instigating.” That’s how grown-ups start fixing things.

 

[Century]

What about the Native Canadians, why did you guys genocide them? I think the native Canadians will never forget what you european invaders did to them.

I agree, Its time we did right by them too.

The history of Indigenous peoples in Canada is tragic and full of injustices that are rightly remembered and should never be forgotten. But if you’re just bringing this up to throw it back in someone’s face, congratulations, you’ve mastered the art of being unproductive. History isn’t a scoreboard where you tally up who suffered more so you can feel morally superior. It’s a messy, painful past that demands responsibility and action, and not cheap shots and guilt trips. If you want to talk about healing and justice, great. Lets do more here and now.
We also do not deny what we did to them, and we even teach it as part of our curriculum in school.

Do you teach what happen in 1915 in your schools?

 

[Azeri441]

To the people saying it was a mistake to let in US to the region, you guys do realize Armenia has a massive Russian base right? bringing US is better than having Russia in the region.

 

[TR_123456]

I agree, Its time we did right by them too.

The history of Indigenous peoples in Canada is tragic and full of injustices that are rightly remembered and should never be forgotten. But if you’re just bringing this up to throw it back in someone’s face, congratulations, you’ve mastered the art of being unproductive. History isn’t a scoreboard where you tally up who suffered more so you can feel morally superior. It’s a messy, painful past that demands responsibility and action, and not cheap shots and guilt trips. If you want to talk about healing and justice, great. Lets do more here and now.
We also do not deny what we did to them, and we even teach it as part of our curriculum in school.

Do you teach what happen in 1915 in your schools?

If you want to discuss 1915,open a thread.
All off topics will be deleted,now.