Canada Foreign Relations Archive

[TR_123456]

Canada has a very prominent Greek and Armenian diaspora. Honestly, I'm surprised we've been able to get drone cameras from them in the first place. That said, maybe the Canadians are just trying to save face because they know we're about to switch over to our own domestic cameras.

It could all be just a political show from both sides.
We'll see what Flir the new TB2's use.

 

[Yoyo]

I know this is rather a non-orthodox view at this time but I think Turkey should seek to mend ties with Egypt. So what if Sisi is a dictator, who isn't?

Fixing our ties with Egypt and then signing a maritime delimiting agreement with them will pretty much solve most of our issues in the E. Med.

As for Israel... Once corrupt Netanyahu and his hawkish goons are out, once they finally form a legit government, we should probably take some steps to normalize relations. We can get them to sell Israeli gas to Europe through Turkey, which is a lot cheaper than the E.Med pipeline project anyway. This will also isolate the Greeks/G.Cypriots. This doesn't mean Turkey won't continue to assist Palestine (within reason).

I will even risk getting bashed by you guys and suggest doing the same with Assad if he can get on board with getting rid of "Kurdistan".

 

[Sinan]

We sacrificed it all for the Ummah unfortunately.

Meanwhile Ummah is baycotting Turkish products and making up with Israel.

 

[Sinan]

I know this is rather a non-orthodox view at this time but I think Turkey should seek to mend ties with Egypt. So what if Sisi is a dictator, who isn't?

Fixing our ties with Egypt and then signing a maritime delimiting agreement with them will pretty much solve most of our issues in the E. Med.

As for Israel... Once corrupt Netanyahu and his hawkish goons are out, once they finally form a legit government, we should probably take some steps to normalize relations. We can get them to sell Israeli gas to Europe through Turkey, which is a lot cheaper than the E.Med pipeline project anyway. This will also isolate the Greeks/G.Cypriots. This doesn't mean Turkey won't continue to assist Palestine (within reason).

I will even risk getting bashed by you guys and suggest doing the same with Assad if he can get on board with getting rid of "Kurdistan".

It is not an unorthodox view to make up with Sisi, it is only logical.

What if Sisi is a dictator. Some many people for got about this.

As if Esad was not a dictator when he was going to holiday with Erdogan.

 

[Ryder]

Meanwhile Ummah is baycotting Turkish products and making up with Israel.

Also supporting armenia i seen on twitter many so called muslims supporting armenia.

Thats why religion is private especially when it comes to geopolitics. Din kardesligi hepsi hikaye.

Shia iran is supporting Christian Armenia against Shia majority Azerbaijan while Iran promotes to the world on how they defend shias while in reality its Persian imperialism with the use of proxies.

Funny how christians are backing each other up while muslims cant even do that very thing. Ama people want us to still believe that Ummah is real.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It is not an unorthodox view to make up with Sisi, it is only logical.

What if Sisi is a dictator. Some many people for got about this.

As if Esad was not a dictator when he was going to holiday with Erdogan.

China is the biggest dictatorial country, nobody cares about their leadership. But when Middle East or South America has dictatorial leadership its a big deal smh.

 

[Test7]

China is the biggest dictatorial country, nobody cares about their leadership. But when Middle East or South America has dictatorial leadership its a big deal smh.

Although it is not completely transparent, it should not be forgotten that there is an electoral system in China. Government is not transferred to the King's sons.

The National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China, normally referred to as the National People's Congress (usually abbreviated NPC), is the highest organ of state power and the national legislature of the People's Republic of China. With 2,980 members in 2018, it is the largest parliamentary body in the world. The National People's Congress meets in full session for roughly two weeks each year and votes on important pieces of legislation. Members are considered to be part-time legislators and are not paid.

The majority of the power of the NPC is exercised by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress (NPCSC), which consists of about 170 legislators and meets in continuous session, when the full session of the NPC is not held. Members of the National People's Congress are allowed to simultaneously hold seats in other bodies of government and the party and the NPC typically includes all of the senior officials in Chinese politics. By contrast, members of the NPCSC are not allowed to simultaneously hold positions in executive or judicial posts.

Under China's Constitution, the NPC is structured as a unicameral legislature, with the de jure power to legislate and oversee the operations of the government, the supreme court, special committees, the supreme procuratorate, the central military commission and elect the major officers of state. Western media sources commonly describe the NPC as a de facto rubber stamping body although at the turn of the century some academics asserted that the NPC had then begun to emerge as an influential force in Chinese politics.

The NPC is elected for a term of five years. It holds annual sessions every spring, usually lasting from 10 to 14 days, in the Great Hall of the People on the west side of Tiananmen Square in Beijing. The NPC's sessions are usually timed to occur with the meetings of the National Committee of the People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), a consultative body whose members represent various social groups. As the NPC and the CPPCC are the main deliberative bodies of China, they are often referred to as the Lianghui (Two Sessions).

 

[Philip the Arab]

Although it is not completely transparent, it should not be forgotten that there is an electoral system in China. Government is not transferred to the King's sons.

The National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China, normally referred to as the National People's Congress (usually abbreviated NPC), is the highest organ of state power and the national legislature of the People's Republic of China. With 2,980 members in 2018, it is the largest parliamentary body in the world. The National People's Congress meets in full session for roughly two weeks each year and votes on important pieces of legislation. Members are considered to be part-time legislators and are not paid.

The majority of the power of the NPC is exercised by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress (NPCSC), which consists of about 170 legislators and meets in continuous session, when the full session of the NPC is not held. Members of the National People's Congress are allowed to simultaneously hold seats in other bodies of government and the party and the NPC typically includes all of the senior officials in Chinese politics. By contrast, members of the NPCSC are not allowed to simultaneously hold positions in executive or judicial posts.

Under China's Constitution, the NPC is structured as a unicameral legislature, with the de jure power to legislate and oversee the operations of the government, the supreme court, special committees, the supreme procuratorate, the central military commission and elect the major officers of state. Western media sources commonly describe the NPC as a de facto rubber stamping body although at the turn of the century some academics asserted that the NPC had then begun to emerge as an influential force in Chinese politics.

The NPC is elected for a term of five years. It holds annual sessions every spring, usually lasting from 10 to 14 days, in the Great Hall of the People on the west side of Tiananmen Square in Beijing. The NPC's sessions are usually timed to occur with the meetings of the National Committee of the People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), a consultative body whose members represent various social groups. As the NPC and the CPPCC are the main deliberative bodies of China, they are often referred to as the Lianghui (Two Sessions).

It is more of an oligarchy than a dictatorship, but at the same time its infringement on human rights is much worse than Egypt's. Is Egypt doing anything like what they are doing to the Muslim citizens?

A dictator is usually unliked such as Egypt, whereas in GCC states the leader is generally liked. Turkish people like to call out Saudi Arabia, and the UAE but don't say anything about Qatar even thought it is not much different. I can tell you right now, 8 out of 10 people like the monarchs in the country, thereby the country is not a dictatorship. The GCC is an absolute monarchy with support of the general population.

 

[Test7]

It is more of an oligarchy than a dictatorship, but at the same time its infringement on human rights is much worse than Egypt's. Is Egypt doing anything like what they are doing to the Muslim citizens?

A dictator is usually unliked such as Egypt, whereas in GCC states the leader is generally liked. Turkish people like to call out Saudi Arabia, and the UAE but don't say anything about Qatar even thought it is not much different. I can tell you right now, 8 out of 10 people like the monarchs in the country, thereby the country is not a dictatorship. The GCC is an absolute monarchy with support of the general population.

I just mentioned the Chinese electoral system. I think the main difference with the Arab countries is that they have an electoral system. I do not judge their people and their elections. I don't blame a country or a people. This isnt my job.

 

[Nilgiri]

Earlier in forum I posted token resistance offered by NGOs for Saudi military deals given Yemen:

Canadian NGOs pressure Trudeau govt to halt arm sales to KSA over Yemen conflict

https://www.editorials360.com/2020/09/19/canadian-rights-teams-press-trudeau-to-halt-record-breaking-arms-gross-sales-to-saudi-arabia-over-yemen-conflict/

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The difference when there is no lobby that really picks it up is apparent for all to see, that topic never got anywhere in media and discourse etc...

In fact it was likely pushed against by two strong lobbies: Jewish and Gulf Arab.

Turkey is correct to push on this double standard, it will at least show mirror to hypocrites....even if the matter decision wont be affected.

 

[Nilgiri]

Maybe @KAL-EL and I can solve this by an arm-wrestling matchup hehe...

The Man Who Went to War With Canada

For centuries, the United States and Canada’s only remaining land border dispute has been kept alive by a single family.

www.atlasobscura.com

For centuries, the United States and Canada’s only remaining land border dispute has been kept alive by a single family.​

BY CARA GIAIMO SEPTEMBER 29, 2019

In 1940, when he was 25 years old, Barna Norton went to a shipwrights’ shop in his hometown of Jonesport, Maine, and ordered a boat. It needn’t be big, he said, but it had to be sturdy. He was going to take it 20 nautical miles out of Jonesport Harbor, through chop and wind, to a 15-acre scrap of stone and grass called Machias Seal Island.

That June, Norton cast off in his new vessel, which he had named If. (“That was ‘If I can get this,’ or ‘If I can get that,’” he later explained.) He brought along his father, some adventurous tourists from nearby Roque Bluffs, and maybe a picnic. After probably a few hours at sea, they reached the island’s rocky shore, and managed to land among the island’s main residents: puffins, razorbills, murres, and Arctic terns.

Later, over decades of interviews with oral historians and reporters, he didn’t share many details about that first trip. But it must have gone well, because in the next 60 years, Barna Norton would travel to Machias Seal Island thousands of times. He would bring tens of thousands of people and lots of picnics, and captain a whole succession of boats, named with increasing confidence.


He would also tell—many, many times—a particular story. “I own the island,” went the simplest version. “It was given to me.”

This story conflicts with the official stances of two powerful nations. It flies in the face of the Canadian lighthouse that has stood on the island for nearly two centuries. It also complicates the United States’s position, which is to claim the disputed island as American territory without making too much of a fuss. But Norton never gave up on his story. In a time when the last thing most people want is another border controversy, I decided to try to find out why.

(more at link)

@Saiyan0321 @Joe Shearer et al might find this pretty interesting read (there is quite some humour in parts) regarding this quiet corner of the world (as far as border disputes go anyway)

 

[Joe Shearer]

Maybe @KAL-EL and I can solve this by an arm-wrestling matchup hehe...

The Man Who Went to War With Canada

For centuries, the United States and Canada’s only remaining land border dispute has been kept alive by a single family.

www.atlasobscura.com

For centuries, the United States and Canada’s only remaining land border dispute has been kept alive by a single family.​

BY CARA GIAIMO SEPTEMBER 29, 2019

In 1940, when he was 25 years old, Barna Norton went to a shipwrights’ shop in his hometown of Jonesport, Maine, and ordered a boat. It needn’t be big, he said, but it had to be sturdy. He was going to take it 20 nautical miles out of Jonesport Harbor, through chop and wind, to a 15-acre scrap of stone and grass called Machias Seal Island.

That June, Norton cast off in his new vessel, which he had named If. (“That was ‘If I can get this,’ or ‘If I can get that,’” he later explained.) He brought along his father, some adventurous tourists from nearby Roque Bluffs, and maybe a picnic. After probably a few hours at sea, they reached the island’s rocky shore, and managed to land among the island’s main residents: puffins, razorbills, murres, and Arctic terns.

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Later, over decades of interviews with oral historians and reporters, he didn’t share many details about that first trip. But it must have gone well, because in the next 60 years, Barna Norton would travel to Machias Seal Island thousands of times. He would bring tens of thousands of people and lots of picnics, and captain a whole succession of boats, named with increasing confidence.


He would also tell—many, many times—a particular story. “I own the island,” went the simplest version. “It was given to me.”

This story conflicts with the official stances of two powerful nations. It flies in the face of the Canadian lighthouse that has stood on the island for nearly two centuries. It also complicates the United States’s position, which is to claim the disputed island as American territory without making too much of a fuss. But Norton never gave up on his story. In a time when the last thing most people want is another border controversy, I decided to try to find out why.

(more at link)

@Saiyan0321 @Joe Shearer et al might find this pretty interesting read (there is quite some humour in parts) regarding this quiet corner of the world (as far as border disputes go anyway)

This is hilarious, considering the way the two nations - known for their adherence to the rule of law - have dealt with it.

The border is normal until it comes to the territorial limit off Maine. After that, both countries start acting smart.

Canada defines the maritime boundary as being the acceptable distance off the US coast line; in other words, everything that is outside the US legitimate but minimal limit belongs to Canada!

The US of A defines the problem exactly symmetrically; whatever is not Canadian belongs to the US!

 

[Nilgiri]

Canada’s Trudeau hits China on human rights, ‘coercive diplomacy’

Relations between Canada and China have deteriorated since 2018 when a top Huawei executive was arrested in Vancouver.

www.aljazeera.com

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has warned China that its “coercive diplomacy,” repressive measures in Hong Kong and detention of Uighur Muslims are counterproductive for itself and the rest of the world.

Trudeau took aim at Beijing’s record on Tuesday as he marked the 50th anniversary of Canada’s diplomatic ties with China.

“We will remain absolutely committed to working with our allies to ensure that China’s approach of coercive diplomacy, its arbitrary detention of two Canadian citizens alongside other citizens of other countries around the world is not viewed as a successful tactic by them,” Trudeau said at a press conference.

He also mentioned Canada’s “concern for the protection of human rights and places like Hong Kong and … with the Uighurs.”

Trudeau said that Canada would “continue to work with our fellow like-minded nations around the world, to impress upon China that its approach to internal affairs and global affairs is not on a particularly productive path for itself or for all of us.”

(more at link)

 

[Nilgiri]

Trudeau says Canada will not be cowed by China on human rights

Canadian PM defiant after China’s ambassador to Ottawa, Cong Peiwu, warned against the granting asylum to HK activists.

www.aljazeera.com

Canada will continue to defend human rights in China, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said after a top Chinese diplomat warned Ottawa against welcoming Hong Kong pro-democracy activists.

“We will stand up loudly and clearly for human rights, all around the world, whether it’s talking about the situation faced by the Uighurs, whether it’s talking about the very concerning situation in Hong Kong, whether it’s calling out China for its coercive diplomacy,” said Trudeau said on Friday.

(More at link)

 

[Nilgiri]

There have been no new reports of Canadian diplomats coming down with mysterious symptoms of what’s become known as “Havana Syndrome” in nearly two years — and no answers for those affected.

That’s despite new reports from the New York Times and GQ Magazine that American intelligence sources are pointing the finger at Russia for dozens of cases of U.S. diplomats and spies experiencing symptoms similar to those reported by the Canadians.

But Canadian investigators say they still have no idea what caused the spate of illnesses — originally described by government officials as “attacks” — and are not providing any updates on the state of the investigation, which documents obtained by Global News under access to information laws initially described as “criminal” in nature.

Now as Mike Drolet reports, new documents obtained by Global News may corroborate claims that employees were warned to stay silent on the unexplained phenomenon.

 

[Nilgiri]

Canada prepared for mass evacuation of citizens in Hong Kong if necessary

The federal government has made preparations to evacuate some 300,000 Canadian citizens out of Hong Kong should the situation deteriorate, even though the chances of it becoming necessary are currently very low, according to Ottawa’s top diplomat in Hong Kong.

www.ctvnews.ca

TORONTO -- The federal government has made preparations to evacuate some 300,000 Canadian citizens out of Hong Kong should the situation deteriorate, even though the chances of it becoming necessary are currently very low, according to Ottawa’s top diplomat in Hong Kong.

The government, however, will be unable to help non-citizens seeking asylum, including relatives of Canadian citizens, Jeff Nankivell, Canada’s consul general in Hong Kong and Macau, told the Special Committee on Canada-China Relations in Ottawa this week.

“We have detailed plans in place, and we have resources available and identified to cover a range of situations up to and including a situation where the urgent departure of a large number of Canadians would be necessary,” said Nankivell, adding that the plans include bringing in additional resources should circumstances necessitate it.

“The likelihood of that kind of extreme scenario appears right now to be very, very low, but it‘s our job to plan for the most extreme situations and we do have detailed plans in place.”

But the consulate, like those of other countries, can not accept applications for asylum from non-citizens in their own territory, Nankivell explained, saying they would need to make a claim from a third country, something he admitted could be difficult due to the possibility authorities could prevent people from leaving.

(more at link)

 

[Nilgiri]

3 week old news now, but I forgot to post it:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/parliamentary-committee-uighur-genocide-1.5772757

China's foreign ministry is lashing out at Canada after a House of Commons subcommittee concluded that the state's mistreatment of Uighurs living in Xinjiang province amounts to a policy of genocide.

The committee's report, tabled Wednesday, says that China's persecution of this Muslim minority — through mass detentions in concentration camps, forced labour, state surveillance and population control measures — is a clear violation of human rights and is meant to "eradicate Uighur culture and religion."

The committee said that it agrees with the experts who say China's campaign against the Uighurs meets the definition of genocide set out in the 1948 Genocide Convention.

(More at link)

 

[Gary]

it's a shame that the fiercest opponents to China's policy towards it's Muslim population comes from a majority non-Muslim countries.

 

[ekemenirtu]

it's a shame that the fiercest opponents to China's policy towards it's Muslim population comes from a majority non-Muslim countries.

It would have been better if Turkey or Indonesia would have been more vocal or active against mistreatment of Uighur people.

Canadian foreign policy is essentially dictated by the US. Huawei CFO was arrested for primarily that reason, the publicly stated reasons are 'eyewash'. Not to be taken seriously.

 

[Saithan]

Turkey is mired and pretty much surrounded by enemies, If we had nukes and solid economy I guess we'd be more vocal about it.

But we have to thread carefully when everyone is pretty much ready to tear Turkey apart like they did after WW1.