CANZUK military requirements.

[RogerRanger]

People talk about CANZUK within Anglo-online culture. However I don't think any of them have thought about or understand military and logistical requirements for the structure or union to be possible.

The combined CANZUK spend 85.2 billion a year on defence. This is about a third of what they would need to spend a year to support and maintain the CANZUK alliance and the trade links.

The alliance would need new nuclear powered aircraft carriers, AAW cruisers, destroyers, escort frigates, more SSN's. Amphibious brigades able to be moved around at once. And air craft numbering 200 to support such operations outside of the carriers. As well as a string of bases around the oceans of the world to support the trade and navy. That doesn't include the difference defence needs of all 4 nations involved.

5 nuclear powered CATOBAR carriers, 12 AAW cruisers, 34 destroyers, 32 SSN's, 90 escort frigates. 4 LHA, 8 LPD's, 6 squadrons of fighter jets, dozens of heavy life and refusing aircraft. 30,000 marines.

The CANZUK countries could support this structure if they spend like 6% of GDP a year on it and it was the main priority of every nation.

However right now it isn't possible and would take 20 years to build that force up.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

People talk about CANZUK within Anglo-online culture. However I don't think any of them have thought about or understand military and logistical requirements for the structure or union to be possible.

The combined CANZUK spend 85.2 billion a year on defence. This is about a third of what they would need to spend a year to support and maintain the CANZUK alliance and the trade links.

The alliance would need new nuclear powered aircraft carriers, AAW cruisers, destroyers, escort frigates, more SSN's. Amphibious brigades able to be moved around at once. And air craft numbering 200 to support such operations outside of the carriers. As well as a string of bases around the oceans of the world to support the trade and navy. That doesn't include the difference defence needs of all 4 nations involved.

5 nuclear powered CATOBAR carriers, 12 AAW cruisers, 34 destroyers, 32 SSN's, 90 escort frigates. 4 LHA, 8 LPD's, 6 squadrons of fighter jets, dozens of heavy life and refusing aircraft. 30,000 marines.

The CANZUK countries could support this structure if they spend like 6% of GDP a year on it and it was the main priority of every nation.

However right now it isn't possible and would take 20 years to build that force up.

I don't know if CANZUK will become a thing, but I can see the UK reaching out to Canada, Australia and New Zealand to strengthen ties across the board. It seems like post-Brexit, a resurgent France is trying to outcompete the United Kingdom. I have no doubt that France's offer to station troops in Australia is a middle finger to the UK. France also, by the looks of it, is trying to get the ADF to commit itself to French weapons/weapon systems.

Once the UK completes the Tempest program, they will have a lot more influence. It seems like France is using its current defence industry advantage to cut deals left, right and centre. Sure they've made money, but they've also gained a lot of geopolitical leverage. The UK needs to bring back the glory days, back when they had a world-leading military aviation sector. After years of working with EU nations on joint projects, it's time for the UK to shine on its own. Eagerly awaiting to see BAE and Rolls-Royce's work on the Tempest.

When the UK shakes off its shackles, I'm sure CANZUK can become a reality.

 

[RogerRanger]

I don't know if CANZUK will become a thing, but I can see the UK reaching out to Canada, Australia and New Zealand to strengthen ties across the board. It seems like post-Brexit, a resurgent France is trying to outcompete the United Kingdom. I have no doubt that France's offer to station troops in Australia is a middle finger to the UK. France also, by the looks of it, is trying to get the ADF to commit itself to French weapons/weapon systems.

Once the UK completes the Tempest program, they will have a lot more influence. It seems like France is using its current defence industry advantage to cut deals left, right and centre. Sure they've made money, but they've also gained a lot of geopolitical leverage. The UK needs to bring back the glory days, back when they had a world-leading military aviation sector. After years of working with EU nations on joint projects, it's time for the UK to shine on its own. Eagerly awaiting to see BAE and Rolls-Royce's work on the Tempest.

When the UK shakes off its shackles, I'm sure CANZUK can become a reality.

The French also have caledonia which is right next to Australia.

The French are only a problem because the British don't have an integrated air defence network, control over Ireland and the waters around Britain.

The French have a lot of influence, but not as much power over military and economy, as the US for example. In any engagement between the UK and France it would be a roughly even contest, both geopolitically and military wise. We are very similar sized powers. So I don't worry about France to be honest, we have deal with them for 1,000 years. We scrapped our independent military sectors in the 70's, so I don't see us getting them back now. Unless we had a totally change in policy and doubled defense spending, and rebuilt the British military. It looks to me that with Tempest it will just be something like the Euro-fighter project, will have massive cost overruns and will be 5-10 years late. And we will put all our money into it, rather than quickly and cheaply building an air defence network. We already have the F-35 as well, which the French don't have.

Thanks for the comment, always nice to have a go at the French. Hahaha.