I like both, i prefer both if the platform is big enoughI've noticed that you prefer RAM rather than gun based CIWS. you must know some disadvantages of naval CIWS.
I like both, i prefer both if the platform is big enoughI've noticed that you prefer RAM rather than gun based CIWS. you must know some disadvantages of naval CIWS.
Instead then can make a platform in front of the bridge for RAM launcher, and place Gökdeniz above the hangar.@Anmdt Dear again me
What is your opinion about naval guns with fire control radars.
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Look Leonardo's new 76mm gun with own radar .
This design allows using wisely limited space of warships. Before fire control radars were inevitable but currently New warships use last gen missiles so they don't need fire control radar on the ship.
So i offer remove STIR from top of the ship and put on 76mm gun.
Having emptied top of the kaptanköşkü , putting there second CIWS.
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I was wondering
1: Additional Gökdeniz could be put on -kaptan köşkünün üstüne - of İstif class? 10 ton Weight would be problem?
2- if Turkey created own RAM , would it be possible to put on kaptan köşkü and rear where Gökdeniz standing? there would be Fire hazard because of hot launch?
As you know i am fan of new CIWS that missiles/Gatling gun combination.
So İstif class with frontal and rear CIWS which consist of 20mm Gatling gun and RIM-116 missiles would make me jubilant.
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Moreover I also would like to see on İstif class additional 8 cell VLS( Mica Naval type) with HisarA+. Because there is empty space in front of İstif.
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Creating a new naval VLS wouldn't be waste of energy since we could export or apply them on our Tuzla Classes.
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So İstif class will have
16 cell EDAS with G40s
8 cell VLS with Hisar A+
2 x frontal and rear CIWS with 12 RAM missiles and two 20mm Gatling guns
That's all for now
I don't think additional VLS would work... due to space constraints in the deck below.@Anmdt Dear again me
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So İstif class will have
16 cell EDAS with G40s
8 cell VLS with Hisar A+
If funded, EDAS will be smaller and available in small cell counts, like ExLS.I don't think additional VLS would work... due to space constraints in the deck below.
Remember, a big reason for choosing Oto Melara 76mm gun over the 127mm was because 127mm gun takes more space in the decks below. If they designed her with 16 cells, that's probably what they had space for.
Instead imagine this:Guys, I am not saying that Gökdeniz or Phalanx are bad or Sea Zenith is better.
in the stern we had two Sea Zeniths and we're replacing them with a single Phalanx. Instead we could add a Mk 49 on top of the hangar where the phalanx is now and keep the Sea Zeniths on the sides.
I think it would be money much better spent. It would be the best protected MEKO in the world. And the best protected ship in Turkish Navy.
Ada class:
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Umkhonto's concenteric launch tube length is just 380cm and diameter 65cm.Instead then can make a platform in front of the bridge for RAM launcher, and place Gökdeniz above the hangar.
I am sure they won't like the idea of having a CIWS on top of the bridge, especially something heavy like gökdeniz.
If they did design is like Korean frigates with a long-top area above the bridge and position the mast on nearly midst of the ship then also RAM could be placed on there.
Then we could put it on smaller ships, like fast attack crafts, patrol boats etc. Which would be awesomeIf funded, EDAS will be smaller and available in small cell counts, like ExLS.
With length of 4.5-5 meters and 3 cells add-on it will enable designers to think more flexible to install it on existing ships.
Instead imagine this:
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Can be upgraded with an E/O on top,
Coupled to an fixed face AESA based (MAR-D like) radar system placed in the secondary mast, providing fire-support radar information in 360 degree coverage.
While Turkey showed success with its offensive drone capabilities I am very curious how the Turkish drone doctrine specialists planned to counter a similar threat and how the created countermeasures would be implemented on naval platforms within the specifics of naval warfare and unmanned small size air/sea threat.TN should care about new UAV doctrine.
Greece also develops UAVs
Greek tactical UAV RX-3plus is ready
One of the most interesting Greek appearances at the DEFEA exhibition , which opens its gates on Tuesday 13 July and will last until Thursday 15 July, is the Tactical Remotely Piloted Aircraft System (TRPAS) RX-3plus , of INTRACOM DEFENSE (IDE). It is a direct evolution of the corresponding...defencehub.live
Greece • EFAD
www.efadrones.org
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Time is counting down for the Greek Armed Forces to enter the era of acquiring and using state-of-the-art UAV "flying spies", Ta Nea reported.greekcitytimes.com
Imagine the scenario: if Bayraktar type UAV sent MAM-L from 7000meter altitude on ADA-CLASS, how could ADA-CLASS defence itself? RAM wouldn't work against MAM-L! Also RAM couldnt engage on Bayraktar at 7000m.
Another scenario Greek helicopters with Hellfires. Greeks have purchased a load of Kiowas. How could you defence yourself from Kiowas?
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Just HisarA+ can reach 8000m altitude and 20 km range.
Ada Classes and Tuzla Classes need SHORAD capabilities.
Old frigates also need new gen SAMs since they have vulnerable old gen semi-active guided ESSMs.
So IIR HisarA+ could be great solution unless Tübitak SAGE creates CAMM which is more compact than HISAR A+. Quad packed 3 cell VLS with 12 CAMMs would be ultimate but expensive for patrol boats and other little ships.
4 HISAR+ would be enough for every patrol boat.
Lasers.While Turkey showed success with its offensive drone capabilities I am very curious how the Turkish drone doctrine specialists planned to counter a similar threat and how the created countermeasures would be implemented on naval platforms within the specifics of naval warfare and unmanned small size air/sea threat.
I wonder can chaffs protect the ship from laser guided weapons when used right time? Because they can reflect and scatter the designated laser waves and broke the vortex of laser waves? Of course it may be effective when the approaching missile is detected and at the right distance the chaffs are dispensed.While Turkey showed success with its offensive drone capabilities I am very curious how the Turkish drone doctrine specialists planned to counter a similar threat and how the created countermeasures would be implemented on naval platforms within the specifics of naval warfare and unmanned small size air/sea threat.
RHIBs are not to save people from the mothership but to conduct operations.just 2 RHIBs looks insufficient for a SAR ship of this tonnage.
Also it would be better if this thing could support a chinook.
Even a relatively small ship like Tuzla class has a compliment of 35 sailors. How do you expect to save that many people with just two RHIBs?
Fyi, the yellow one is an A- frame, it tilts back and forth thus. Plus you will need to pass all those cables for satcom and radar through the operation deck.I don't know, you could move the radars, sensors aft on top of that yellow crane. And if the superstructure is strong enough you could build a helodeck on top of the bridge. You obviously can't have a hangar to store a chinook like this but at least you would have the option to land one.
But nevermind, if there are enough number of liferafts for rescue it's fine. It's a fine ship.