TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Fairon]

Measures will be taken to make it difficult for engineers working in Turkish defense industry companies to work in other institutions or organizations or to open a business.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609830779240026112

This decision only make defence industry unappealing to the new generation.

A step in the wrong direction. Will limit proliferation of technology developed in Turkiye to the civilian market. The ban should only be effect for foreign companies.

+1

It is really wonderous. They are making this law instead of fixing nepotism.

 

[Zafer]

The law proposal says "in the same field". You can not copy the work you did when you worked in one of those defense industry firms. You can't steal your previous boss' technology. That is a fair proposal.

 

[TheInsider]

Measures will be taken to make it difficult for engineers working in Turkish defense industry companies to work in other institutions or organizations or to open a business.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609830779240026112

Extremely bad decision.
It will stop the momentum of flourishing small to medium businesses. Most of the time those companies transfer several experts from big companies(like Aselsan, Roketsan, etc.) and those experts transform the company.
It will be bad for start-ups. Most of the time people quit big companies to start their own companies.
I think this is pushed by big companies to put a leash on small to medium companies and start-ups.

Employees that want to work abroad will be mostly unaffected as most of the time those people are given long-term work permits like green card.

 

[TheInsider]

Turkiye exported 4.3 billion worth of defense goods and services in 2022. I expect the Turkish defense industry to force the 10 billion milestone in 2023. Baykar emerged as an export champion exporting 1.18 billion worth of defense goods and services.

 

[Baryshx]

I know. But our drones are battle proven and Japan know this. They will test some before making any decision I guess.

Korea and Japan should ask the US before deciding.

 

[Baryshx]

Anadolu Shipyard (ADIK) member of TAIS consortium is recruiting for management positions related to the Indian Navy FSS (Fleet Support Ship) project.
This has two meaning; 1.the project is materializing, 2. see the date to find out.

Because they can't find any cheaper. The cheapest is twice our price.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

Extremely bad decision.
It will stop the momentum of flourishing small to medium businesses. Most of the time those companies transfer several experts from big companies(like Aselsan, Roketsan, etc.) and those experts transform the company.
It will be bad for start-ups. Most of the time people quit big companies to start their own companies.
I think this is pushed by big companies to put a leash on small to medium companies and start-ups.

Employees that want to work abroad will be mostly unaffected as most of the time those people are given long-term work permits like green card.

There's a misunderstanding, I believe.

Similar regulations exist in the West, too. For instance, in Germany it's called 'Karenzzeit' or simply 'Wettbewerbsverbot' (lit. 'competing prohibition' aka the non-compete clause/NCC). The Turkish adaptation of this law doesn't forbid you to work for another company ever again once you've been employed by one of the big ones like Aselsan or Baykar. This is not possible and such a regulation would do more harm than good. In fact, no law in Turkey can restrict you from changing your employer.

However, due to the sensitive nature of the defense sector, companies are allowed to take measures to make sure that an former employee can't just walk out with your latest technology in mind and start engaging somewhere else.

This 'waiting period' or 'cooling-off period' is very common and nothing out of the ordinary in tech companies all around the world.

 

[Ripley]

I think this is pushed by big companies to put a leash on small to medium companies and start-ups.

If this is the case it’s bad because market economy, as we all know, suggests that individualism and private property are the main propellants behind such a model.
Defense industry is the new rising star of Turkish economy and a very strong candidate for a leading role in country’s economy. Accordingly, one must also consider the possibility of adjoining companies attracting more skilled work force as a result of positive spillover effect in this new industry.

If this is not the case, then it is even worse because - as it is- the government taking the role of regulating the labor force mobility and very highly skilled one, too.

I don’t know. Are we putting shackles on ourselves here?

 

[Osman]

As I said this is against constituton which guarantees freedom of work and contract (art 48), freedom of movement (art 23) and prohibition of forced labor (art 18). They can easily pass the law, but in a state where there is rule of law it is impossible for high court not to annul this law. The infringement is so obvious that even most dictatorship's courts will decide in this way

 

[Zafer]

As I said this is against constituton which guarantees freedom of work and contract (art 48), freedom of movement (art 23) and prohibition of forced labor (art 18). They can easily pass the law, but in a state where there is rule of law it is impossible for high court not to annul this law. The infringement is so obvious that even most dictatorship's courts will decide in this way

So yeah they can simply put a clause in their contract that they won't work in competition to their current employer in the next certain number of years.

 

[Nilgiri]

Anadolu Shipyard (ADIK) member of TAIS consortium is recruiting for management positions related to the Indian Navy FSS (Fleet Support Ship) project.
This has two meaning; 1.the project is materializing, 2. see the date to find out.

Great, this adds further validation to recent comment by IN navy chief that this project continues and will pick up pace soon.

 

[Afif]

Great, this adds further validation to recent comment by IN navy chief that this project continues and will pick up pace soon.

And i thought the ships were already delivered in 2020!

 

[Nilgiri]

And i thought the ships were already delivered in 2020!

2020 was more like when the contract was signed. That contract had first delivery from HSL around 2024.

Delivery might be delayed a year or two now I guess.

 

[what]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609780399571456001

If this is accurate the first export deals for OMTAS have been signed.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609780399571456001

If this is accurate the first export deals for OMTAS have been signed.

I guess it is from last year, but they are revealing it just now.

 

[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609780399571456001

If this is accurate the first export deals for OMTAS have been signed.

Don't we have manufacturing problems with these? I previously read something about production batches not being up to par with these missiles here.

 

[Osman]

Delivery of 260 STA was supposed to be completed in the first quarter of 2022. Most of them carry 2x OMTAS ready to launch and 4 additional OMTAS wthin vehicle. It will be a surprise if they have production problems

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610638812622864385

 

[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1610638812622864385

WHAT. THE. FUDGE.

The F-15's they sent to Crete for joint military drills just came back! At least demand some solid reciprocity before tossing that tech all willy-nilly?!

 

[Kedikesenfare]

WHAT. THE. FUDGE.

The F-15's they sent to Crete for joint military drills just came back! At least demand some solid reciprocity before tossing that tech all willy-nilly?!

Don't let your emotions cloud your judgment. If you see Greece as our arch enemy, what would you say is Iran for Saudi Arabia? In their case, the opponent has the ability to cause them serious and lasting damage. The Saudis could easily accuse you of funding the Iranian regime given all the energy we import from the Iranians.

We should treat inquiries of this kind like professionals. This is a potential business transaction. If the price is right and we're able to maintain a technological edge in our region, it's our duty to sell whatever we have in our product catalogue and inventory like there's no tomorrow.

Always remember, the first sale is of outstanding importance. It builds long lasting loyalty between customer and producer. It plays a key role in introducing the Saudis to the Turkish ecosystem of defense products which are always complementing each other.

It could be our door opener for many more sales to come.